From info at arin.net Wed Sep 5 16:33:06 2018 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:33:06 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Orphaned Organization (Org) and Point of Contact (POC) records now CLOSED Message-ID: <3518ebf2-cc83-5d2f-4ea9-6ff81a054eff@arin.net> ARIN thanks those who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on options for handling orphaned Organization (Org) and Point of Contact (POC) records. This important feedback will help inform ARIN?s path forward in this area. We will provide a report on our way forward after we have analyzed this and other related feedback on this topic. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From jcurran at arin.net Thu Sep 6 11:15:16 2018 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 15:15:16 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Input by the NRO Executive Council on the Public Consultation to Determine the Future Structure of the ASO (was Re: Summary of ARIN 41 consultation session ...) In-Reply-To: <3A718FA8-D21C-42C2-9DDA-501ED0D0F18D@arin.net> References: <3A718FA8-D21C-42C2-9DDA-501ED0D0F18D@arin.net> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2018, at 4:47 PM, John Curran > wrote: On 2 Feb 2018, at 8:59 AM, ARIN > wrote: As a part of the Number Resource Organization (NRO), ARIN is seeking community input on the NRO community consultation on the ASO review. "The most recent ASO Review concluded with 18 recommendations, which the NRO has resolved to accept. The first 17 recommendations are well defined and practical, and can be implemented by actions of the NRO Secretariat, or of the ASO Address Council, with respect to administrative procedures, documentation, or in some cases adjustments to agreements which are expected to be non-controversial. The 18th recommendation of the Report is that "The NRO should initiate a public consultation, involving the five RIR communities, to determine the future structure of the ASO". The NRO EC has concluded to accept that recommendation and is hereby launching a consultation on the issues identified in the ASO Review Report." The full Consultation is available for review at: https://www.nro.net/aso-review-consultation-2018/ ARIN-Consult community: On Monday, 16 April 2018 (day 1 of the ARIN 41 Public Policy Meeting in Miami), a consultation session was held to gather additional input for this community consultation on the future structure of the ASO. As reported during that session, I took on the responsibility to provide a brief summary of the discussion to this mailing list. Those interested in the full meeting transcript may review it here: https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_41/ppm.html In summary: 1) Unlike the comments received on the arin-consult mailing list to date, the prevailing view was that the number community relationship with ICANN (that which is referred as the ASO relationship) should continue ? presuming that it can be significantly simplified and kept focused on number community matters 2) It is important that ICANN recognize that the number community is not a typical ICANN Supporting Organization, and our engagement with ICANN serves primarily to facilitate interactions on number resource policy matters. This scope of the number community engagement with ICANN needs to be made plain to the ICANN community, and both the NRO-EC and ASO AC need to be diligent in declining invitations that that lie outside this scope. 3) Since the use of two names (?NRO? & ?ASO?) increases confusion in the ICANN relationship, the number community should engage with ICANN as the Number Resource Organization (NRO), with the NRO Number Council (NRO NC) continuing to handle global policy development and ICANN Board election matters as usual. 4) More significant changes to the number community/ICANN relationship should be deferred for a future review cycle, as there is presently value in the relationship that should be preserved (presuming that it can be simplified as noted above.) Comments on this summary are most welcome - Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN ARIN Community - As an update, it is worth noting that consultations on the future structure of the ASO continue in several of the other RIR regions. Yesterday, the NRO-EC made the following statement (based on its consideration of results of this process to date) - The NRO EC provides this statement to the RIR communities in each region as a possible common way forward to aid in their consideration of the future structure of the ASO. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at arin.net Mon Sep 10 14:41:50 2018 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:41:50 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Changes to the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS) Message-ID: Today ARIN operates a service referred to as the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS). One aspect of this service provides a listing of individuals and organizations that have registered with ARIN as a transfer facilitator. This is a service intended to provide the community with an easily accessible list of possible facilitators to assist them in either being a source for a transfer or a recipient of a transfer. All transfer facilitators must pay a $1,000 (USD) fee and agree to the STLS Terms of Service before being listed publicly on our Registered Transfer Facilitators List. This list is not intended to endorse or recommend any of the facilitators listed but rather to provide contact information for anyone interested. It is recommended that anyone engaging one of these facilitators perform their own due diligence. ARIN will not act as a referral or comment on the services that any of these facilitators perform. ARIN has received a suggestion via the ARIN Consultation & Suggestion Process (ACSP) regarding potential changes to the registered transfer facilitator service. The suggestion has been closed due to specific terms and conditions being outside the scope of ACSP; however, the suggestion and its accompanying documentation are still available for review. It may help this discussion if interested parties reviewed that documentation prior to commenting on this consultation. https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/acsp/suggestions/2018-20.html ARIN is opening this consultation to gauge the community's interest in possible changes to the registered transfer facilitator service. This consultation is intended to be a high-level discussion of community interest to determine if further analysis or actions are recommended by the community. Question #1: Should ARIN continue to offer the registered transfer facilitator service? At present, we do offer a registered transfer facilitator service with 26 registered facilitators. Staff will point customers to this list if requested, but will make it very clear that ARIN does not endorse nor recommend any particular member of the list. ARIN will not answer any questions about any members on the list or even confirm that they have been involved in the completion of any transfers. This consultation seeks community feedback as to the usefulness of this service and whether ARIN should continue to provide this service in its current form. We appreciate any and all community feedback to help us evaluate this service. Question #2: Should ARIN perform some form of verification to confirm the facilitator actually provides transfer facilitation? At present, ARIN staff conducts very little verification of facilitators. Should there be some minimum set of criteria that must be met in order to be registered as a transfer facilitator? Examples might include: ??? * Verify the organization has a web site advertising transfer service ??? * Verify the organization has completed a minimum number of transfers ??? * Verify customers who have used the facilitator ??? * Vet a facilitator the same as any organization wishing to do business with ARIN ??? * Any other criteria? Question #3: Should ARIN verify the business is capable of completing transfers ? for example, verifying licensing/bonding, or insurance? At present, we do not conduct any checks of licensing, financing, or insurance. Should there be some set of business criteria a transfer facilitator must meet in order to be registered? Examples might include: ??? * Appropriate business licensing ??? * Verification of bonding, insurance, or similar ??? * Other? Question #4: Should ARIN offer the ability for customers to provide feedback on facilitators? At present, we offer no ability for customers to leave feedback on facilitators. Should we offer this service? If so, should ARIN verify customer providing the feedback has actually used that facilitator before allowing feedback? Should there be a mechanism for registered facilitators to contest feedback they believe is not legitimate? Question #5: Should the fees for registered transfer facilitators be adjusted? At present, we charge a $1,000 annual fee. Since we operate on a cost-recovery basis, and since some of the possible enhancements would likely increase the cost required to process each facilitator registration request, should fees be increased to cover this added cost? We welcome the community's feedback. This consultation will remain open for two weeks and close on 21 September 2018. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From mike at iptrading.com Mon Sep 10 15:16:38 2018 From: mike at iptrading.com (Mike Burns) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:16:38 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Changes to the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ea01d4493a$cc757e90$65607bb0$@iptrading.com> Question #1: Should ARIN continue to offer the registered transfer facilitator service? Yes, I think ARIN should continue to offer the facilitator service. The STLS can go. Question #2: Should ARIN perform some form of verification to confirm the facilitator actually provides transfer facilitation? No, just continue to state that ARIN doesn't perform any verifications. Perform the listing service while avoiding any legal risks. Question #3: Should ARIN verify the business is capable of completing transfers ? for example, verifying licensing/bonding, or insurance? No, especially as there are no licensing/bonding/insurance requirements to complete the brokerage of a transfer. Question #4: Should ARIN offer the ability for customers to provide feedback on facilitators? Not sure whether it's worth any legal risk to ARIN but at least worth considering this further. Question #5: Should the fees for registered transfer facilitators be adjusted? No, they just increased 10-fold. ARIN should beware regulatory capture. Regards, Mike From peter at colovore.com Mon Sep 10 21:40:38 2018 From: peter at colovore.com (Peter Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:40:38 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Changes to the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS) In-Reply-To: <00ea01d4493a$cc757e90$65607bb0$@iptrading.com> References: <00ea01d4493a$cc757e90$65607bb0$@iptrading.com> Message-ID: User feedback could be a useful feature, and there are many cloud platforms that provide it to assist with trust and transparency. It's going to be difficult to do with goods or services that are provided by a third party (unlike Amazon that provides them) and in which the transaction isn't facilitated by ARIN (unlike eBay / PayPal which facilitates them). It's a well known issue with Yelp that establishments feel they are often disadvantaged, this is probably because Yelp isn't involved in the transaction or facilitating the outcomes. One of the evaluation criteria would need to include the resources needed to manage it, especially arbitration in reviewer disputes. ARIN may have to insert itself somehow to reduce the risk of overall disappointment. The risk would be adding unnecessary friction to the process. If these issues can be overcome, it would be very interesting to see. The time, talent and cost resources required to manage this will need more than a surface level evaluation. Peter On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM Mike Burns wrote: > Question #1: Should ARIN continue to offer the registered transfer > facilitator service? > > Yes, I think ARIN should continue to offer the facilitator service. The > STLS can go. > > Question #2: Should ARIN perform some form of verification to confirm the > facilitator actually provides transfer facilitation? > > No, just continue to state that ARIN doesn't perform any verifications. > Perform the listing service while avoiding any legal risks. > > Question #3: Should ARIN verify the business is capable of completing > transfers ? for example, verifying licensing/bonding, or insurance? > > No, especially as there are no licensing/bonding/insurance requirements to > complete the brokerage of a transfer. > > Question #4: Should ARIN offer the ability for customers to provide > feedback on facilitators? > > Not sure whether it's worth any legal risk to ARIN but at least worth > considering this further. > > Question #5: Should the fees for registered transfer facilitators be > adjusted? > > No, they just increased 10-fold. > > > ARIN should beware regulatory capture. > > Regards, > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at arin.net Tue Sep 25 17:24:20 2018 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:24:20 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Changes to the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS) now Closed Message-ID: ARIN thanks those who provided feedback during this consultation on community suggested improvements to the Specified Transfer Listing Service (STLS). This feedback will help inform ARIN's path forward in this area. https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/acsp/community_consult/09-10-2018_facilitators.html Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers