[ARIN-consult] [E] Re: Consultation on Orphaned Organization (Org) and Point of Contact (POC) Records

[Jason Schiller]

I'm good so long is there is some way to assert that the
POC or OrgId is still desired
and prevent the deletion.

+1 to reviewing the "POC validation  on insert/creation"
related to larger entities with poor practices.

+1 to triggering the review of the creation of orphaned
status prior to completion of the action that causes it.
It does need to consult both parties.
(not suggesting you should hold up the transaction,
 just use it to draw the appropriate attention to right
 parties at a convenient time...  perhaps you could
 make the process go faster if the parties have already
 sorted these issue in advance).

___Jason


On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 11:50 AM Peter Harrison <peter at colovore.com> wrote:

> +1 on "POC validation at time of orphaning"
>
> What would the question be on the validation?
>
>    1. "Do you want to remain an orphan?"
>    2. "Who do you want as your new parent?"
>    3. "We're going to delete you, OK?"
>
> Some either/or combination of the above. 2 and 3 maybe?
>
>
> Peter
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> > On Aug 6, 2018, at 08:30, Joe Provo <jzp-arin-consult at rsuc.gweep.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > [personal hat on]
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 07:37:54AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> >> [snip]
>> >> It might be nice if it was sufficient to simply validate the POC
>> >> ala current POC validation procedure rather than requiring some
>> >> form of change, but if there???s some reason not to permit that,
>> >> I???m not strongly tied to the idea.
>> >
>> > Allowing POC validation to de-orphan (until the next iteration)
>> > nicely covers a number of smaller edge cases previously raised.
>> > I think that's a big win for aliveness detection.
>> >
>> > Offhand, I'd lean to qtrly rather than 60 days as even the
>> > larger iceberg orgs tend to be able to address things on that
>> > timescale. Not super wedded to that detail.
>> >
>> > JC previously wrote:
>> >> Of the 454,090 Org IDs that currently have one and only one
>> >> reassignment, 81,480 (18%) are duplicates (i.e. share the exact
>> >> same organization name with another of the 454,090).
>> >> While there may be differences in street address, contacts, etc,
>> >> this suggests an opportunity on the part of ISPs to examine their
>> >> SWIP publication practices and cut down on duplicate records,
>> >> which in turn reduces orphaned records.
>> >
>> > I would refer back to the entire discussion around "POC validation
>> > on insert/creation" related to larger entities with poor practices.
>> > As that's only 18% of the current problem, perhaps a symmetrical
>> > process of "POC validation at time of orphaning" would be desirable
>> > *after* this larger garbage collection process had run its course?
>> > It seems to me that keeping the data hygiene part of the transaction
>> > would increase the likelihood of success (attention is currently
>> > here) else we'll be permanently relying upon garbage collection
>> > sweeps and the possibility of having to re-engage well after
>> > transactions have been completed and forgotten.
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling
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