From info at arin.net  Wed Jul  5 12:45:31 2017
From: info at arin.net (ARIN)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 12:45:31 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Update to Community Consultation on CKN23-ARIN
Message-ID: <e016b16f-79e5-621a-f6ee-febdd2e98186@arin.net>

ARIN has evaluated the feedback from the community consultation on
CKN23-ARIN and we are working on finalizing the implementation plan.
This effort is expected to be completed within the next 45 days, at
which time ARIN will provide a general implementation plan with
timelines to the community.  Our intention is to implement option 3 as
recommended in the community consultation, with some slight
modifications based on feedback received from the community.

You can view the full consultation at:

https://arin.net/participate/acsp/community_consult/03-22-2017_CKN23.html

Regards,

Communications and Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)






From owen at delong.com  Tue Jul 11 21:18:09 2017
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 18:18:09 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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I am not inherently opposed to adding 3 seats as a tool for increasing diversity if the three seats have some additional requirements on them which help to achieve that diversity. Adding 3 more white dudes to the board won?t do anything to help diversity and comes with all of the problems described by Bill Herrin.

If we?re going to go to a 9- (elected) seat board, I would think it not unreasonable to require 1/3rd of the board come from each of the designated sub-regions within the ARIN territory ? US, CA, Caribbean.

We?d be electing 3 members to the board each year, so it would not, IMHO, be unreasonable to also require that the nomcom produce at least one candidate of each gender for each seat (where I limit gender to {M,F} and base it on declared gender without regard to whatever may have occurred prior to that decision).

Absent these additional requirements or something like it, however, I don?t see this as a useful proposal and oppose implementing it.

Owen

> On May 12, 2017, at 15:49 , Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 13, 2017, at 6:12 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>> The size of effective decision-making bodies has been studied. A lot. Essentially every study says: odd number. As for which odd number...
>> seven:  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rule-of-7-the-ideal-work-group-size/
>> 4.6 (five): https://sheilamargolis.com/2011/01/24/what-is-the-optimal-group-size-for-decision-making/
>> 20 or more tend to deadlock and for some weird reason exactly 8 is very bad: http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/01/15/the-right-or-wrong-size-for-a/ 
>> The most common numbers the studies report as an optimal size for decision-making bodies seem to be five and seven.
> 
> So we?re past 4.6, past 5, now we?re past 7 and have arrived at the worst possible number of 8.
> 
> I?d agree that 4.6-5 is good, and in my experience, out of 7, there are always a couple of non-participants, so it always wound up being more like five active participants anyway.
> 
> Full disclosure: my wife?s work has took me and my family to Hong Kong at the end of January, and we?re just returning to the States next Monday, so for the better part of the last four months, I?ve been the non-participant.
> 
>                                -Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From owen at delong.com  Tue Jul 11 21:48:24 2017
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 18:48:24 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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> A more reasonable solution to the alleged ARIN problem that does not involve acquiescing to the jesuit-communist Diversity plank, is for women to start clubs, classes or blogs such as the Women's Lunches you stated above.  How many women have applied to the board and have been rejected?  Maybe a study should be done FIRST to determine if the "problem" exists.

I know of at least one who was nominated at least twice but not elected either time. She was definitely a highly qualified candidate and was and remains Secretary General of the Caribbean Telecommunications union.

I know of at least one other who was rejected by the nominating committee despite being a highly qualified candidate with a history of service to the ARIN community.

So yes, a problem exists.

Owen



From mike at sum.net  Tue Jul 11 22:43:00 2017
From: mike at sum.net (Mike Burns)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 22:43:00 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
Message-ID: <1a25be46fbca4653ac05a8bcab204797.mike@sum.net>

Hi Owen,
FYI. This consultation is mercifully closed as of almost a month ago.
http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2017-June/000870.html
Regards,
Mike



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Owen DeLong[mailto:owen at delong.com]
Sent    : 7/11/2017 9:48:24 PM
To      : john at comfortconsulting.com
Cc      : arin-consult at arin.net
Subject : RE: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

 > A more reasonable solution to the alleged ARIN problem that does not involve acquiescing to the jesuit-communist Diversity plank, is for women to start clubs, classes or blogs such as the Women's Lunches you stated above.  How many women have applied to the board and have been rejected?  Maybe a study should be done FIRST to determine if the "problem" exists.

I know of at least one who was nominated at least twice but not elected either time. She was definitely a highly qualified candidate and was and remains Secretary General of the Caribbean Telecommunications union.

I know of at least one other who was rejected by the nominating committee despite being a highly qualified candidate with a history of service to the ARIN community.

So yes, a problem exists.

Owen

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From woody at pch.net  Tue Jul 11 23:44:31 2017
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 20:44:31 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <1a25be46fbca4653ac05a8bcab204797.mike@sum.net>
References: <1a25be46fbca4653ac05a8bcab204797.mike@sum.net>
Message-ID: <805E52A9-E14E-443A-B529-2BD9F05154E8@pch.net>

It's at least a little timely since the board's decision on the matter is slated for 11am PDT / 2pm EDT tomorrow (Wednesday).  So, any last-minute thoughts you may have for any of us, you should send before then. 
    
                -Bill


> On Jul 11, 2017, at 19:43, Mike Burns <mike at sum.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Owen,
> 
> FYI. This consultation is mercifully closed as of almost a month ago.
> 
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2017-June/000870.html
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> From : Owen DeLong[mailto:owen at delong.com]
> Sent : 7/11/2017 9:48:24 PM
> To : john at comfortconsulting.com
> Cc : arin-consult at arin.net
> Subject : RE: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
> 
> > A more reasonable solution to the alleged ARIN problem that does not involve acquiescing to the jesuit-communist Diversity plank, is for women to start clubs, classes or blogs such as the Women's Lunches you stated above. How many women have applied to the board and have been rejected? Maybe a study should be done FIRST to determine if the "problem" exists.
> 
> I know of at least one who was nominated at least twice but not elected either time. She was definitely a highly qualified candidate and was and remains Secretary General of the Caribbean Telecommunications union.
> 
> I know of at least one other who was rejected by the nominating committee despite being a highly qualified candidate with a history of service to the ARIN community.
> 
> So yes, a problem exists.
> 
> Owen
> 
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From 3johnl at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 00:38:16 2017
From: 3johnl at gmail.com (John Springer)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 21:38:16 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <805E52A9-E14E-443A-B529-2BD9F05154E8@pch.net>
References: <1a25be46fbca4653ac05a8bcab204797.mike@sum.net>
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OK, then.

If the question has expanded to reflect the earmarking of seats for region
or gender, then, yes, I support that notion.

But if the question is still as originally posed, to expand the number of
board members, to have room for diversity to expand into, without explicit
earmarks, I support that too. It is much better than doing nothing. It
shows a good faith attempt to come to grips with the problem and with any
luck, will serve to encourage the very groups that it seeks to engage.

There is no number of white, North American males, denying that a problem
exists, that would justify taking no action.

John Springer
speaking only for myself

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:

> It's at least a little timely since the board's decision on the matter is
> slated for 11am PDT / 2pm EDT tomorrow (Wednesday).  So, any last-minute
> thoughts you may have for any of us, you should send before then.
>
>                 -Bill
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 19:43, Mike Burns <mike at sum.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Owen,
>
> FYI. This consultation is mercifully closed as of almost a month ago.
>
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2017-June/000870.html
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> *From :* Owen DeLong[mailto:owen at delong.com <owen at delong.com>]
> *Sent :* 7/11/2017 9:48:24 PM
> *To :* john at comfortconsulting.com
> *Cc :* arin-consult at arin.net
> *Subject :* RE: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing
> the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees
>
> > A more reasonable solution to the alleged ARIN problem that does not
> involve acquiescing to the jesuit-communist Diversity plank, is for women
> to start clubs, classes or blogs such as the Women's Lunches you stated
> above. How many women have applied to the board and have been rejected?
> Maybe a study should be done FIRST to determine if the "problem" exists.
>
> I know of at least one who was nominated at least twice but not elected
> either time. She was definitely a highly qualified candidate and was and
> remains Secretary General of the Caribbean Telecommunications union.
>
> I know of at least one other who was rejected by the nominating committee
> despite being a highly qualified candidate with a history of service to the
> ARIN community.
>
> So yes, a problem exists.
>
> Owen
>
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From bill at herrin.us  Wed Jul 12 07:23:24 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:23:24 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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References: <1a25be46fbca4653ac05a8bcab204797.mike@sum.net>
 <805E52A9-E14E-443A-B529-2BD9F05154E8@pch.net>
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:38 AM, John Springer <3johnl at gmail.com> wrote:

> But if the question is still as originally posed, to expand the number of
> board members, to have room for diversity to expand into, without explicit
> earmarks,
> There is no number of white, North American males, denying that a problem
> exists, that would justify taking no action.
>

John,

The notion that expanding the board without any other action would
meaningfully impact "diversity" is absurd on its face. Especially since the
consultation revealed the abject lack of any sort of concrete definition of
the diversity we're trying to expand. You can call me a white male all you
want and continue to imply that's a bad thing to be but the bottom line is
that you're calling for action without a plan supported by any kind of
objective reasoning.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



-- 
William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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From jcurran at arin.net  Wed Jul 12 08:34:47 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:34:47 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 12 Jul 2017, at 7:23 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:

The notion that expanding the board without any other action would meaningfully impact "diversity" is absurd on its face.

Bill -

It is a question of probabilities, as increasing the number of elected seats from two
per year to 10 per year (30 total) would almost certainly increase the diversity of
background of Board members by any measure one could devise (although there
would be significant efficiency impacts as a result.)

Does increasing the number of elected seats from two per year to three per year
result in a similar change in the probability of a more diverse set of backgrounds
among Board members?  Probably, but each of us has to assess whether the net
change is meaningful compared to the downsides that result from a larger Board.

/John

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From bill at herrin.us  Wed Jul 12 08:57:15 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:57:15 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:34 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

>
> On 12 Jul 2017, at 7:23 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>
>
> The notion that expanding the board without any other action would
> meaningfully impact "diversity" is absurd on its face.
>
>
> Bill -
>
> It is a question of probabilities, as increasing the number of elected
> seats from two
> per year to 10 per year (30 total) would almost certainly increase the
> diversity of
> background of Board members by any measure one could devise (although
> there
> would be significant efficiency impacts as a result.)
>
> Does increasing the number of elected seats from two per year to three per
> year
> result in a similar change in the probability of a more diverse set of
> backgrounds
> among Board members?  Probably, but each of us has to assess whether the
> net
> change is meaningful compared to the downsides that result from a larger
> Board.
>


John,

You keep talking about "diversity of background" but have not concretely
defined what that means. Playing loosey goosey with the terminology makes
the whole thing theater.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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From jcurran at arin.net  Wed Jul 12 09:14:57 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:14:57 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGVyD9A8OBHwE8ikx7_+d4Q4aY0LKHzV8ckQZwQ4fwHvkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a25be46fbca4653ac05a8bcab204797.mike@sum.net>
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On Jul 12, 2017, at 9:00 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
John,

You keep talking about "diversity of background" but have not concretely defined what that means. Playing loosey goosey with the terminology makes the whole thing theater.

Bill -

At this time, the only more detailed expression of Board intent
regarding diversity would be in the directions to NomCom, as
contained in their charter -

<https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#nomcom>


"d. ARIN Board Guidance to the 2017 NomCom

The ARIN Board of Trustees notes that diversity in the composition of the Board and the Advisory Council (including but not limited to gender, industry, and geographic diversity) is encouraged, and provides this guidance to the 2017 NomCom for its consideration in the development of the candidate slates."


Given that the Board has been listening to the community on

this issue (and there are quite a range of views), it is not certain

that a more precise definition is possible.


Thanks!

/John


John Curran

President and CEO

ARIN



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From cja at daydream.com  Wed Jul 12 09:42:12 2017
From: cja at daydream.com (Cj Aronson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:42:12 -0600
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <370EC324-AF55-4D44-9FE7-939C5B9E7D37@arin.net>
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Like I said in a very early post.  Other things need to be done like making
sure there is a diverse nomcom.  When the nomcom is as diverse as the
board, that's an issue.  We also need to deal with the fact that incombents
mostly run for re-election and they are always chosen as candidates.  Since
the number of candidates is limited, this also limits diversity choices and
favors re-election of incumbents.   I also think that the nomcom needs to
be given direction on candidates and diversity.  Maybe that has already
happened?  It is certainly not transparent if it has.

I am in favor of increasing the board size but not without some of these
other changes.

------Cathy


{?,?}
  (( ))
  ?  ?

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:34 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On 12 Jul 2017, at 7:23 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>
>
> The notion that expanding the board without any other action would
> meaningfully impact "diversity" is absurd on its face.
>
>
> Bill -
>
> It is a question of probabilities, as increasing the number of elected
> seats from two
> per year to 10 per year (30 total) would almost certainly increase the
> diversity of
> background of Board members by any measure one could devise (although
> there
> would be significant efficiency impacts as a result.)
>
> Does increasing the number of elected seats from two per year to three per
> year
> result in a similar change in the probability of a more diverse set of
> backgrounds
> among Board members?  Probably, but each of us has to assess whether the
> net
> change is meaningful compared to the downsides that result from a larger
> Board.
>
> /John
>
>
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From jcurran at arin.net  Wed Jul 12 10:32:32 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:32:32 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 12 Jul 2017, at 9:42 AM, Cj Aronson <cja at daydream.com<mailto:cja at daydream.com>> wrote:

Like I said in a very early post.  Other things need to be done like making sure there is a diverse nomcom.  When the nomcom is as diverse as the board, that's an issue.  We also need to deal with the fact that incombents mostly run for re-election and they are always chosen as candidates.  Since the number of candidates is limited, this also limits diversity choices and favors re-election of incumbents.   I also think that the nomcom needs to be given direction on candidates and diversity.  Maybe that has already happened?  It is certainly not transparent if it has.

Cathy -

    The NomCom has been given guidance with respect to diversity,
    and it?s quite transparent, as it is part of the NomCom charter.
  <https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#nomcom>

    As I noted to Bill, for several years the Board has included some
    directions on diversity similar in nature to the one below -

"d. ARIN Board Guidance to the 2017 NomCom

The ARIN Board of Trustees notes that diversity in the composition of the Board and the Advisory Council (including but not limited to gender, industry, and geographic diversity) is encouraged, and provides this guidance to the 2017 NomCom for its consideration in the development of the candidate slates.?

   Note that the Board does not control how the NomCom decides to
   handle this encouragement, so it you feel that the Board should get
   more specific in this advice (e.g. specifying one particular aspect of
   diversity that should be fulfilled by the candidate slate), then please
   let a Board member know (I will also note that the Board already has
   the ability to do an appointment to the Board, and such appointments
   have the advantage of not preempting the ability of the members to
   select their own representation.)

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

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From bill at herrin.us  Wed Jul 12 11:05:24 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:05:24 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <95E9D875-68C0-443C-9C4A-D2C00054ECAB@arin.net>
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:14 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> At this time, the only more detailed expression of Board intent
> regarding diversity would be in the directions to NomCom, as
> contained in their charter -
>
> <https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#nomcom>
>
>
> "d. ARIN Board Guidance to the 2017 NomCom
>
> The ARIN Board of Trustees notes that diversity in the composition of the
> Board and the Advisory Council (including but not limited to gender,
> industry, and geographic diversity) is encouraged, and provides this
> guidance to the 2017 NomCom for its consideration in the development of the
> candidate slates."
>

Great. Stop there and evaluate the results you get. No tinkering with the
board size can be effective until the nominees reflect whatever standard of
diversity you choose to seek.


> Given that the Board has been listening to the community on
>
> this issue (and there are quite a range of views), it is not certain
>
> that a more precise definition is possible.
>

Unfocused goals don't support gratuitous changes to the board structure. If
a precise definition of "diversity of background" is not yet possible then
you don't yet understand your goal well enough to make potentially
destructive changes based on it. Focus on improving your goal statement
first.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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From jcurran at arin.net  Wed Jul 12 11:12:57 2017
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:12:57 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 12 Jul 2017, at 11:05 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:14 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
At this time, the only more detailed expression of Board intent
regarding diversity would be in the directions to NomCom, as
contained in their charter -

<https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#nomcom>


"d. ARIN Board Guidance to the 2017 NomCom
The ARIN Board of Trustees notes that diversity in the composition of the Board and the Advisory Council (including but not limited to gender, industry, and geographic diversity) is encouraged, and provides this guidance to the 2017 NomCom for its consideration in the development of the candidate slates."

Great. Stop there and evaluate the results you get. No tinkering with the board size can be effective until the nominees reflect whatever standard of diversity you choose to seek.
...
Unfocused goals don't support gratuitous changes to the board structure. If a precise definition of "diversity of background" is not yet possible then you don't yet understand your goal well enough to make potentially destructive changes based on it. Focus on improving your goal statement first.

Bill -

   Alas, we have to the listen to the community to obtain that clarity, so
   I must ask you -

     ?Do you believe that there is a definition/goal of diversity that ARIN should target for the Board of Trustees??

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

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From bill at herrin.us  Wed Jul 12 11:35:28 2017
From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:35:28 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <F0F25453-0845-4D19-AFCC-371AB03945DE@arin.net>
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:12 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On 12 Jul 2017, at 11:05 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>
> Unfocused goals don't support gratuitous changes to the board structure.
> If a precise definition of "diversity of background" is not yet possible
> then you don't yet understand your goal well enough to make potentially
> destructive changes based on it. Focus on improving your goal statement
> first.
>
>
> Bill -
>
>    Alas, we have to the listen to the community to obtain that clarity, so
>    I must ask you -
>
>      ?Do you believe that there is a definition/goal of diversity that
> ARIN should target for the Board of Trustees??
>

No, I think that's probably a rabbit hole too.

I think the pool of candidates who are both technically qualified (priority
1) and willing to volunteer (priority 2) is too small to support an
explicit diversity goal (somewhere around priority 5 or 6). With only a
vague goal and a limited pool, I would restrict any action to small changes
with little potential for harm, such as:

* the direction the board already gave the nomcom,
* expanding who can serve on the nomcom (currently only ARIN members may
serve, limiting the nominators' diversity) and
* expanding the criteria for who the nomcom can consider for nomination
(IIRC, an ARIN member must recommend someone for nomination before the
nomcom can consider them)

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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From john at comfortconsulting.com  Wed Jul 12 12:11:55 2017
From: john at comfortconsulting.com (John Comfort)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:11:55 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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I concur with Bill Herrin.

Regards,
John Comfort


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:12 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12 Jul 2017, at 11:05 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>
>> Unfocused goals don't support gratuitous changes to the board structure.
>> If a precise definition of "diversity of background" is not yet possible
>> then you don't yet understand your goal well enough to make potentially
>> destructive changes based on it. Focus on improving your goal statement
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Bill -
>>
>>    Alas, we have to the listen to the community to obtain that clarity,
>> so
>>    I must ask you -
>>
>>      ?Do you believe that there is a definition/goal of diversity that
>> ARIN should target for the Board of Trustees??
>>
>
> No, I think that's probably a rabbit hole too.
>
> I think the pool of candidates who are both technically qualified
> (priority 1) and willing to volunteer (priority 2) is too small to support
> an explicit diversity goal (somewhere around priority 5 or 6). With only a
> vague goal and a limited pool, I would restrict any action to small changes
> with little potential for harm, such as:
>
> * the direction the board already gave the nomcom,
> * expanding who can serve on the nomcom (currently only ARIN members may
> serve, limiting the nominators' diversity) and
> * expanding the criteria for who the nomcom can consider for nomination
> (IIRC, an ARIN member must recommend someone for nomination before the
> nomcom can consider them)
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
> --
> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
>
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From mwinters at edwardrose.com  Wed Jul 12 12:41:47 2017
From: mwinters at edwardrose.com (Michael Winters)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:41:47 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of
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I agree with Bill.

From: ARIN-consult [mailto:arin-consult-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of William Herrin
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 11:35 AM
To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:12 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
On 12 Jul 2017, at 11:05 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
Unfocused goals don't support gratuitous changes to the board structure. If a precise definition of "diversity of background" is not yet possible then you don't yet understand your goal well enough to make potentially destructive changes based on it. Focus on improving your goal statement first.

Bill -

   Alas, we have to the listen to the community to obtain that clarity, so
   I must ask you -

     ?Do you believe that there is a definition/goal of diversity that ARIN should target for the Board of Trustees??

No, I think that's probably a rabbit hole too.

I think the pool of candidates who are both technically qualified (priority 1) and willing to volunteer (priority 2) is too small to support an explicit diversity goal (somewhere around priority 5 or 6). With only a vague goal and a limited pool, I would restrict any action to small changes with little potential for harm, such as:

* the direction the board already gave the nomcom,
* expanding who can serve on the nomcom (currently only ARIN members may serve, limiting the nominators' diversity) and
* expanding the criteria for who the nomcom can consider for nomination (IIRC, an ARIN member must recommend someone for nomination before the nomcom can consider them)

Regards,
Bill Herrin

--
William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com<mailto:herrin at dirtside.com>  bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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From daveid at panix.com  Sat Jul 15 09:24:50 2017
From: daveid at panix.com (David R Huberman)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:24:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1705111821450.29546@panix3.panix.com>
References: <98b0694a-42fe-ee6a-6ea1-d34e5e4c0fbd@arin.net>
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Now that Thursday's Board meeting has come and gone, may we please have a 
statement of "next steps" or some sort of commentary on how this 
consultation was received and what's being acted on moving forward?

It is my opinion that the Board still has a clear mandate from the broader 
ARIN community to become more diverse in its membership.  So if that's 
correct, I hope to see continued efforts towards fulfilling that mandate.



From 3johnl at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 03:29:37 2017
From: 3johnl at gmail.com (John Springer)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:29:37 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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Yes, please and well said.

John Springer

On Jul 15, 2017 06:24, "David R Huberman" <daveid at panix.com> wrote:

> Now that Thursday's Board meeting has come and gone, may we please have a
> statement of "next steps" or some sort of commentary on how this
> consultation was received and what's being acted on moving forward?
>
> It is my opinion that the Board still has a clear mandate from the broader
> ARIN community to become more diverse in its membership.  So if that's
> correct, I hope to see continued efforts towards fulfilling that mandate.
>
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From jschiller at google.com  Mon Jul 17 14:42:21 2017
From: jschiller at google.com (Jason Schiller)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:42:21 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on Increasing the Size of
 the ARIN Board of Trustees
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... and as a follow-on, it looks like the current nominations for ARIN
board is for two seats.

Does this mean we are too far along in the process for this election to
make any changes?

__Jason

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:29 AM, John Springer <3johnl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, please and well said.
>
> John Springer
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 06:24, "David R Huberman" <daveid at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that Thursday's Board meeting has come and gone, may we please have a
>> statement of "next steps" or some sort of commentary on how this
>> consultation was received and what's being acted on moving forward?
>>
>> It is my opinion that the Board still has a clear mandate from the
>> broader ARIN community to become more diverse in its membership.  So if
>> that's correct, I hope to see continued efforts towards fulfilling that
>> mandate.
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From woody at pch.net  Tue Jul 18 04:22:09 2017
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:22:09 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] 2017 Call for Nominations: ARIN Board of Trustees
Message-ID: <B1D71C8D-18EC-4000-B139-B9AE18C7DFCC@pch.net>

This year I conclude my fifth term as an ARIN board member, and I have just declined nomination to run again.

I decline not because I have less to give to the community, but because my presence on the board is contributing to the most persistent problem the organization is facing.

I have nominated six candidates for the board, all of whom are at least as qualified as anyone presently serving, myself included.  NONE OF THEM ARE WHITE MEN.  And the only hard thinking I had to do was how to narrow it down to just six.  There is no shortage of qualified women, nor shortage of qualified people of other ethnicities.  As a community, we have NO EXCUSE to continue electing only white men.  We know that, we acknowledge it in meetings, yet when it comes time for the nomcom to build a slate and the electorate to vote, you keep picking me and people who look like me, rather than better-qualified women and men who could be representing your interests better than I do.

I?m giving up my seat for one reason, and one reason only.  Do not waste this opportunity.  Do not screw this up.  Do not think that you can just wait one more year before addressing it.  I need you all to stop making excuses, stop rationalizing that only a white man really understands your problems, and REPLACE ME AND TIM WITH TWO OF THESE EXCELLENT CANDIDATES.  Their experience is more current, their perspective is more valuable, and they?ll be more fun at socials.  Once you?ve taken this step, I promise you you?ll be wondering why you didn?t replace us sooner.

                                -Bill




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