From info at arin.net  Mon Aug  4 13:18:13 2014
From: info at arin.net (ARIN)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:18:13 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
Message-ID: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>

ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )

There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
to run the following experiment:

RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.

    *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
reachable on the global Internet.

    *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.

Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.

This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
September 2014.

Regards,

Leslie Nobile
Director of Registration Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)





From scottleibrand at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 13:23:33 2014
From: scottleibrand at gmail.com (Scott Leibrand)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 10:23:33 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <CAGkMwz4NWmuE+=eSoYN8_m5OfwL100_R05ma1RmvVoF048ooeA@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a good, well-thought-out experiment, which will be useful for
informing policy discussions in both the ARIN and RIPE regions.

-Scott


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:
>
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
> sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
> will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>
>    *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
> reachable on the global Internet.
>
>    *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
> of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
>
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
>
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
> September 2014.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From David.Huberman at microsoft.com  Mon Aug  4 13:29:54 2014
From: David.Huberman at microsoft.com (David Huberman)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 17:29:54 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <1407173403058.96792@microsoft.com>

Strongly support.

David R Huberman
Microsoft Corporation
Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)

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From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net <arin-consult-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of ARIN <info at arin.net>
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 10:18 AM
To: arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation

ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )

There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
to run the following experiment:

RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.

    *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
reachable on the global Internet.

    *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.

Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.

This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
September 2014.

Regards,

Leslie Nobile
Director of Registration Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)



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From vicky at twtelecom.net  Mon Aug  4 13:34:47 2014
From: vicky at twtelecom.net (Vicky Cox)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:34:47 -0600
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <53DFC437.7060508@twtelecom.net>

Support.

Vicky Cox
IP/DNS Manager
tw telecom

On 8/4/2014 11:18 AM, ARIN wrote:
> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:
>
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
> sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
> will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its 
> reachability.
>
>    *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
> reachable on the global Internet.
>
>    *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
> of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
>
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
>
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
> September 2014.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From owen at delong.com  Mon Aug  4 21:15:05 2014
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:15:05 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <8527CDEA-0169-4870-B8C4-48E802F61169@delong.com>

I support this research and encourage ARIN to make appropriate allocations for it
from the pool in question, record them appropriately in WHOIS and not issue them
to any other registrants during the period of the experiment.

The allocations to RIPE should be conditional on the ability to revoke them within
48 hours should urgent need to use them as intended arise during the experiment.

I presume that RIPE can be sufficiently cooperative as to not need a down period
for ?cleaning? the address prior to reuse.

Owen

On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:18 AM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
> 
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:
> 
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
> sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
> will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
> 
>   *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
> reachable on the global Internet.
> 
>   *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
> of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
> 
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
> 
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
> September 2014.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From matt at conundrum.com  Tue Aug  5 08:56:33 2014
From: matt at conundrum.com (Matthew Pounsett)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:56:33 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <BCBB0956-C613-4D8F-8DD2-67DF8A68092D@conundrum.com>


On Aug 4, 2014, at 13:18 , ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:


I think this is a good experiment to run, and support an allocation to make it possible.  



From rs at seastrom.com  Tue Aug  5 15:01:25 2014
From: rs at seastrom.com (Rob Seastrom)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 15:01:25 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net> (ARIN's message of "Mon,
	04 Aug 2014 13:18:13 -0400")
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <86mwbisquy.fsf@valhalla.seastrom.com>


Strongly support.  Research to date in this area has been ad-hoc, with
results shared mostly as oral tradition.  A formal study with publicly
published results will do much to inform the dicsussion on minimum
allocation sizes.

-r


ARIN <info at arin.net> writes:

> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:
>
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
> sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
> will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>
>    *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
> reachable on the global Internet.
>
>    *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
> of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
>
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
>
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
> September 2014.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Consult
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From cblecker at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 15:20:59 2014
From: cblecker at gmail.com (Christoph Blecker)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:20:59 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <CADx2oGHGZoh4=rsrVDL0jrjjvJGk_0S3Q7KPV2r=Mrmg_nRZsg@mail.gmail.com>

Strongly support.

Cheers,
Christoph


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:
>
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
> sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
> will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>
>    *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
> reachable on the global Internet.
>
>    *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
> of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
>
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
>
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
> September 2014.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Fred.Wettling at bechtel.com  Tue Aug  5 16:19:46 2014
From: Fred.Wettling at bechtel.com (Wettling, Fred)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:19:46 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <8527CDEA-0169-4870-B8C4-48E802F61169@delong.com>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<8527CDEA-0169-4870-B8C4-48E802F61169@delong.com>
Message-ID: <E887EF9928EABB4DAE099CADE01FED9C856B903C@ASHS91923.amers.ibechtel.com>

Support the proposal.

Fred Wettling
Bechtel Fellow | IS&T Ethics & Compliance Officer
fred.wettling at bechtel.com | +1 (865) 220-2993 (office) | +1 (865) 384-7662 (mobile)

On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:18 AM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will 
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4 
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 
> 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
> 
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the 
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try 
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has 
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in 
> order to run the following experiment:
> 
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks 
> of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. 
> They will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
> 
>   *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on 
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and 
> reachable on the global Internet.
> 
>   *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this 
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally, 
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end 
> date of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
> 
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or 
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
> 
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1 
> September 2014.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Consult
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From jrhett at netconsonance.com  Mon Aug  4 17:10:07 2014
From: jrhett at netconsonance.com (Jo Rhett)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:10:07 -0700
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <517B87C1-539E-447D-B966-7BC05D407000@netconsonance.com>

Strongly support.

-- 
Jo Rhett
+1 (415) 999-1798
Skype: jorhett
Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.



From springer at inlandnet.com  Thu Aug  7 13:08:45 2014
From: springer at inlandnet.com (John Springer)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>

I support the use of this reserved space for this experiment because I 
think the information derived will be useful regardless of what is 
learned.

What is the timeframe of the experiment?

John Springer

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, ARIN wrote:

> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will
> require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4
> addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>
> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the
> usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try
> to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has
> requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order
> to run the following experiment:
>
> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of
> sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They
> will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>
>   *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight on
> whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and
> reachable on the global Internet.
>
>   *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this
> research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally,
> ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date
> of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
>
> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or
> not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net.
>
> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1
> September 2014.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leslie Nobile
> Director of Registration Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Consult
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>


From emile.aben at ripe.net  Fri Aug  8 05:05:05 2014
From: emile.aben at ripe.net (Emile Aben)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:05:05 +0200
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
Message-ID: <53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>

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On 07/08/14 19:08, John Springer wrote:
> I support the use of this reserved space for this experiment
> because I think the information derived will be useful regardless
> of what is learned.
> 
> What is the timeframe of the experiment?

Hi John,

My initial thoughts on that would be that we'd at least run it for a
couple of weeks initially and then publish results about that.

I could see the utility in keeping it around for longer, because the
usability of longer-then-/24 prefixes out of 23.128/10 might change as
more address space out of this block gets in use.

I think Owen brought up an important bit here: The address space used
for this must be vacated when need for it arises. We're committed to
do this on short notice, so not to impede or delay ARIN delegating the
remaining bits in 23.128/10.

If we don't receive a signal to stop earlier, we could define a
low-water mark as safeguard: Say we stop the experiment and vacate the
address space within 1 working day, once there is less than a /18 left
out of 23.128/10.

I see greatest utility in doing this on a
'run-until-right-before-space-is-needed'-basis, but please advise.

best regards,
Emile Aben
RIPE NCC

> 
> John Springer
> 
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, ARIN wrote:
> 
>> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that
>> will require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the
>> IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM
>> policy 4.10 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>> 
>> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about
>> the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In
>> order to try to provide some additional data on this topic, the
>> RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from the
>> reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
>> 
>> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few
>> blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of
>> the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space
>> propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>> 
>> *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight
>> on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable
>> and reachable on the global Internet.
>> 
>> *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of
>> this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ .
>> Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as
>> well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois
>> record of this registration.
>> 
>> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment
>> or not, and why? Please provide comments to
>> arin-consult at arin.net.
>> 
>> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday,
>> 1 September 2014.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American Registry
>> for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From Yi.Chu at sprint.com  Fri Aug  8 11:43:00 2014
From: Yi.Chu at sprint.com (Chu, Yi [NTK])
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:43:00 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
Message-ID: <3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>

NRPM just mentioned a /10 is going to be used to facilitate v6 deployment.  Was there an announcement that this block 23.128/10 is selected for this purpose?

yi

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-consult-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Emile Aben
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 5:05 AM
To: John Springer; arin-consult at arin.net
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On 07/08/14 19:08, John Springer wrote:
> I support the use of this reserved space for this experiment
> because I think the information derived will be useful regardless
> of what is learned.
>
> What is the timeframe of the experiment?

Hi John,

My initial thoughts on that would be that we'd at least run it for a
couple of weeks initially and then publish results about that.

I could see the utility in keeping it around for longer, because the
usability of longer-then-/24 prefixes out of 23.128/10 might change as
more address space out of this block gets in use.

I think Owen brought up an important bit here: The address space used
for this must be vacated when need for it arises. We're committed to
do this on short notice, so not to impede or delay ARIN delegating the
remaining bits in 23.128/10.

If we don't receive a signal to stop earlier, we could define a
low-water mark as safeguard: Say we stop the experiment and vacate the
address space within 1 working day, once there is less than a /18 left
out of 23.128/10.

I see greatest utility in doing this on a
'run-until-right-before-space-is-needed'-basis, but please advise.

best regards,
Emile Aben
RIPE NCC

>
> John Springer
>
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, ARIN wrote:
>
>> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that
>> will require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the
>> IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM
>> policy 4.10 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>>
>> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about
>> the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In
>> order to try to provide some additional data on this topic, the
>> RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from the
>> reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
>>
>> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few
>> blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of
>> the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space
>> propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>>
>> *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight
>> on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable
>> and reachable on the global Internet.
>>
>> *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of
>> this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ .
>> Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as
>> well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois
>> record of this registration.
>>
>> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment
>> or not, and why? Please provide comments to
>> arin-consult at arin.net.
>>
>> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday,
>> 1 September 2014.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American Registry
>> for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You
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From ndavis at arin.net  Fri Aug  8 12:35:33 2014
From: ndavis at arin.net (Nate Davis)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:35:33 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
	<3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>

On 8/8/14, 11:43 AM, "Chu, Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:

>NRPM just mentioned a /10 is going to be used to facilitate v6
>deployment.  Was there an announcement that this block 23.128/10 is
>selected for this purpose?
>
>yi


Yi -

NRPM section 4.10 Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment was
the result of policy discussions in 2008 and concluded with Board
ratification of this policy in early 2009.
ARIN did announce the implementation of the policy at that time.  Here is
link to the April 2009 ARIN announcement:

https://www.arin.net/announcements/2009/20090401.html

Regards,

Nate Davis
Chief Operating Officer
American Registry for Internet Numbers



From Yi.Chu at sprint.com  Fri Aug  8 12:58:10 2014
From: Yi.Chu at sprint.com (Chu, Yi [NTK])
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:58:10 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
	<3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>
Message-ID: <9dd57106fb234a29860a57f5ede8c905@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>

I understand it is rectified in NRPM.  However, without knowing what the specific /10 is, ISP's wouldn't open up the filters to allow prefix longer than /24.  So my question is whether there is an announcement that this 23.128/10 is selected to fulfill NRPM section 4.10? Not any /10, this one?

Without action from ISP, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the /28's are going to be rejected on my network.  Is the expectation that ISP need to take action for 23.128/10?  If so, I would like to confirm this is the block chosen before a lot of filters get updated.

yi

-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Davis [mailto:ndavis at arin.net]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Chu, Yi [NTK]; Emile Aben; John Springer; arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation

On 8/8/14, 11:43 AM, "Chu, Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:

>NRPM just mentioned a /10 is going to be used to facilitate v6
>deployment.  Was there an announcement that this block 23.128/10 is
>selected for this purpose?
>
>yi


Yi -

NRPM section 4.10 Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment was
the result of policy discussions in 2008 and concluded with Board
ratification of this policy in early 2009.
ARIN did announce the implementation of the policy at that time.  Here is
link to the April 2009 ARIN announcement:

https://www.arin.net/announcements/2009/20090401.html

Regards,

Nate Davis
Chief Operating Officer
American Registry for Internet Numbers


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From jcurran at arin.net  Fri Aug  8 13:08:10 2014
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 17:08:10 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <9dd57106fb234a29860a57f5ede8c905@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
	<3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>
	<9dd57106fb234a29860a57f5ede8c905@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <B70A98C1-DB75-459F-8765-32B746B63FF5@corp.arin.net>

On Aug 8, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:

> I understand it is rectified in NRPM.  However, without knowing what the specific /10 is, ISP's wouldn't open up the filters to allow prefix longer than /24.  So my question is whether there is an announcement that this 23.128/10 is selected to fulfill NRPM section 4.10? Not any /10, this one?

Yes, this reservation was announced on 30 January 2014 - 
<https://www.arin.net/announcements/2014/20140130.html>

"Additionally, ARIN has placed 23.128.0.0/10 in its reserves in accordance with the policy "Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment" (NRPM 4.10). There have been no allocations made from this block as of yet, however, once we do begin issuing from this block, the minimum allocation size for this /10 will be a /28 and the maximum allocation size will be a /24. You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly."

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN




From Yi.Chu at sprint.com  Fri Aug  8 13:22:30 2014
From: Yi.Chu at sprint.com (Chu, Yi [NTK])
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 17:22:30 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <B70A98C1-DB75-459F-8765-32B746B63FF5@corp.arin.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
	<3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>
	<9dd57106fb234a29860a57f5ede8c905@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<B70A98C1-DB75-459F-8765-32B746B63FF5@corp.arin.net>
Message-ID: <83adeb31614640d6b84c5d44e9e37ff9@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>

John:
Thanks for confirming.  That's exactly what I am looking for.

Do you also plan to update NRPM to include 23.128/10?

yi

-----Original Message-----
From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 1:08 PM
To: Chu, Yi [NTK]
Cc: Nate Davis; Emile Aben; John Springer; arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation

On Aug 8, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:

> I understand it is rectified in NRPM.  However, without knowing what the specific /10 is, ISP's wouldn't open up the filters to allow prefix longer than /24.  So my question is whether there is an announcement that this 23.128/10 is selected to fulfill NRPM section 4.10? Not any /10, this one?

Yes, this reservation was announced on 30 January 2014 -
<https://www.arin.net/announcements/2014/20140130.html>

"Additionally, ARIN has placed 23.128.0.0/10 in its reserves in accordance with the policy "Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment" (NRPM 4.10). There have been no allocations made from this block as of yet, however, once we do begin issuing from this block, the minimum allocation size for this /10 will be a /28 and the maximum allocation size will be a /24. You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly."

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN



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From Anthony.DeLaCruz at CenturyLink.com  Fri Aug  8 13:45:35 2014
From: Anthony.DeLaCruz at CenturyLink.com (Delacruz, Anthony B)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 17:45:35 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
Message-ID: <398B250423578A4E97AFE1B8B67C686C2CE1E5A2@PDDCWMBXEX503.ctl.intranet>

I support as well. When it kicks off can we let the community know. I'd like to check to see what we actually see.

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-consult-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Emile Aben
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:05 AM
To: John Springer; arin-consult at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation

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On 07/08/14 19:08, John Springer wrote:
> I support the use of this reserved space for this experiment
> because I think the information derived will be useful regardless
> of what is learned.
> 
> What is the timeframe of the experiment?

Hi John,

My initial thoughts on that would be that we'd at least run it for a
couple of weeks initially and then publish results about that.

I could see the utility in keeping it around for longer, because the
usability of longer-then-/24 prefixes out of 23.128/10 might change as
more address space out of this block gets in use.

I think Owen brought up an important bit here: The address space used
for this must be vacated when need for it arises. We're committed to
do this on short notice, so not to impede or delay ARIN delegating the
remaining bits in 23.128/10.

If we don't receive a signal to stop earlier, we could define a
low-water mark as safeguard: Say we stop the experiment and vacate the
address space within 1 working day, once there is less than a /18 left
out of 23.128/10.

I see greatest utility in doing this on a
'run-until-right-before-space-is-needed'-basis, but please advise.

best regards,
Emile Aben
RIPE NCC

> 
> John Springer
> 
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, ARIN wrote:
> 
>> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that
>> will require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the
>> IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM
>> policy 4.10 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>> 
>> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about
>> the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In
>> order to try to provide some additional data on this topic, the
>> RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from the
>> reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
>> 
>> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few
>> blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of
>> the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space
>> propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>> 
>> *  This experiment will provide the global community with insight
>> on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable
>> and reachable on the global Internet.
>> 
>> *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of
>> this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ .
>> Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as
>> well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois
>> record of this registration.
>> 
>> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment
>> or not, and why? Please provide comments to
>> arin-consult at arin.net.
>> 
>> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday,
>> 1 September 2014.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American Registry
>> for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You
>> are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the
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From rs at seastrom.com  Fri Aug  8 13:57:30 2014
From: rs at seastrom.com (Rob Seastrom)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:57:30 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <83adeb31614640d6b84c5d44e9e37ff9@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com> (Yi
	Chu's message of "Fri, 8 Aug 2014 17:22:30 +0000")
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	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
	<3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>
	<9dd57106fb234a29860a57f5ede8c905@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
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"Chu, Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> writes:

> John:
> Thanks for confirming.  That's exactly what I am looking for.
>
> Do you also plan to update NRPM to include 23.128/10?

Are you saying that you'd like that particular prefix to be called out
in the NRPM?

-r




From Yi.Chu at sprint.com  Fri Aug  8 14:06:52 2014
From: Yi.Chu at sprint.com (Chu, Yi [NTK])
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 18:06:52 +0000
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
In-Reply-To: <86mwbeeuet.fsf@valhalla.seastrom.com>
References: <53DFC055.8080003@arin.net>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1408071006580.18178@mail.inlandnet.com>
	<53E492C1.20600@ripe.net>
	<3d6fc3118d82461d9ec58341d33c0b22@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<D00A7372.41908%ndavis@corp.arin.net>
	<9dd57106fb234a29860a57f5ede8c905@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<B70A98C1-DB75-459F-8765-32B746B63FF5@corp.arin.net>
	<83adeb31614640d6b84c5d44e9e37ff9@plswe13m04.ad.sprint.com>
	<86mwbeeuet.fsf@valhalla.seastrom.com>
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Yes.  So it is not ambiguous, and all operators can see immediately that they need to update filters.

Right now, people not following closely (I am guilty of) wouldn't know if the /10 has selected, or they should stay put until it is announced.

yi

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Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 1:57 PM
To: Chu, Yi [NTK]
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation


"Chu, Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> writes:

> John:
> Thanks for confirming.  That's exactly what I am looking for.
>
> Do you also plan to update NRPM to include 23.128/10?

Are you saying that you'd like that particular prefix to be called out
in the NRPM?

-r



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From has at google.com  Fri Aug  8 14:10:37 2014
From: has at google.com (Heather Schiller)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:10:37 -0400
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
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On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:

> I understand it is rectified in NRPM.  However, without knowing what the
> specific /10 is, ISP's wouldn't open up the filters to allow prefix longer
> than /24.



This is precisely the *point* of the testing that RIPE wants to do.  To
open up filters to allow longer announcements from this specific prefix
defies the goal of the test.  The goal is to see where filters exist and
what prefix lengths are accepted today.





> So my question is whether there is an announcement that this 23.128/10 is
> selected to fulfill NRPM section 4.10? Not any /10, this one?
>
> Without action from ISP, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the /28's
> are going to be rejected on my network.  Is the expectation that ISP need
> to take action for 23.128/10?  If so, I would like to confirm this is the
> block chosen before a lot of filters get updated.
>
> yi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Davis [mailto:ndavis at arin.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 12:36 PM
> To: Chu, Yi [NTK]; Emile Aben; John Springer; arin-consult at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
>
> On 8/8/14, 11:43 AM, "Chu, Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com> wrote:
>
> >NRPM just mentioned a /10 is going to be used to facilitate v6
> >deployment.  Was there an announcement that this block 23.128/10 is
> >selected for this purpose?
> >
> >yi
>
>
> Yi -
>
> NRPM section 4.10 Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment was
> the result of policy discussions in 2008 and concluded with Board
> ratification of this policy in early 2009.
> ARIN did announce the implementation of the policy at that time.  Here is
> link to the April 2009 ARIN announcement:
>
> https://www.arin.net/announcements/2009/20090401.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Nate Davis
> Chief Operating Officer
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
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From marty at akamai.com  Fri Aug  8 14:16:51 2014
From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:16:51 -0400
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I'm in huge chunks of 23/8. We were first in 23/8. We cleaned it entirely for our benefit (ARIN knew we would hence ....) and evicted multiple squatters. It'll be interesting to see if the testing is uninteresting or not.

Best,

-M<

On Aug 8, 2014, at 14:10, "Heather Schiller" <has at google.com<mailto:has at google.com>> wrote:




On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com<mailto:Yi.Chu at sprint.com>> wrote:
I understand it is rectified in NRPM.  However, without knowing what the specific /10 is, ISP's wouldn't open up the filters to allow prefix longer than /24.


This is precisely the *point* of the testing that RIPE wants to do.  To open up filters to allow longer announcements from this specific prefix defies the goal of the test.  The goal is to see where filters exist and what prefix lengths are accepted today.




So my question is whether there is an announcement that this 23.128/10 is selected to fulfill NRPM section 4.10? Not any /10, this one?

Without action from ISP, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the /28's are going to be rejected on my network.  Is the expectation that ISP need to take action for 23.128/10?  If so, I would like to confirm this is the block chosen before a lot of filters get updated.

yi

-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Davis [mailto:ndavis at arin.net<mailto:ndavis at arin.net>]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 12:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation

On 8/8/14, 11:43 AM, "Chu, Yi [NTK]" <Yi.Chu at sprint.com<mailto:Yi.Chu at sprint.com>> wrote:

>NRPM just mentioned a /10 is going to be used to facilitate v6
>deployment.  Was there an announcement that this block 23.128/10 is
>selected for this purpose?
>
>yi


Yi -

NRPM section 4.10 Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment was
the result of policy discussions in 2008 and concluded with Board
ratification of this policy in early 2009.
ARIN did announce the implementation of the policy at that time.  Here is
link to the April 2009 ARIN announcement:

https://www.arin.net/announcements/2009/20090401.html

Regards,

Nate Davis
Chief Operating Officer
American Registry for Internet Numbers


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From emile.aben at ripe.net  Sun Aug 10 01:17:43 2014
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 07:17:43 +0200
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On 08/08/14 19:45, Delacruz, Anthony B wrote:
> I support as well. When it kicks off can we let the community know.
> I'd like to check to see what we actually see.

Sure, we will let the community know.

cheers,
Emile Aben
RIPE NCC

> 
> -----Original Message----- From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net
> [mailto:arin-consult-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Emile Aben 
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:05 AM To: John Springer;
> arin-consult at arin.net Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on
> New Experimental Allocation
> 
> On 07/08/14 19:08, John Springer wrote:
>> I support the use of this reserved space for this experiment 
>> because I think the information derived will be useful
>> regardless of what is learned.
> 
>> What is the timeframe of the experiment?
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> My initial thoughts on that would be that we'd at least run it for
> a couple of weeks initially and then publish results about that.
> 
> I could see the utility in keeping it around for longer, because
> the usability of longer-then-/24 prefixes out of 23.128/10 might
> change as more address space out of this block gets in use.
> 
> I think Owen brought up an important bit here: The address space
> used for this must be vacated when need for it arises. We're
> committed to do this on short notice, so not to impede or delay
> ARIN delegating the remaining bits in 23.128/10.
> 
> If we don't receive a signal to stop earlier, we could define a 
> low-water mark as safeguard: Say we stop the experiment and vacate
> the address space within 1 working day, once there is less than a
> /18 left out of 23.128/10.
> 
> I see greatest utility in doing this on a 
> 'run-until-right-before-space-is-needed'-basis, but please advise.
> 
> best regards, Emile Aben RIPE NCC
> 
> 
>> John Springer
> 
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, ARIN wrote:
> 
>>> ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment
>>> that will require the temporary use of space from
>>> 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6
>>> deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10
>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
>>> 
>>> There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about 
>>> the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In 
>>> order to try to provide some additional data on this topic,
>>> the RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from
>>> the reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
>>> 
>>> RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few 
>>> blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of 
>>> the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space 
>>> propagates in BGP and its reachability.
>>> 
>>> *  This experiment will provide the global community with
>>> insight on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10
>>> are useable and reachable on the global Internet.
>>> 
>>> *  A description of this experiment, as well as the results of 
>>> this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . 
>>> Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page,
>>> as well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois 
>>> record of this registration.
>>> 
>>> Do you support the use of this reserved space for this
>>> experiment or not, and why? Please provide comments to 
>>> arin-consult at arin.net.
>>> 
>>> This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on
>>> Monday, 1 September 2014.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American
>>> Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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