From Marla.Azinger at FTR.com Tue Apr 1 19:23:04 2014 From: Marla.Azinger at FTR.com (Azinger, Marla) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 23:23:04 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] statements of no support and support Message-ID: <4c3014d698754abaacf8cbc8def9679d@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Do not Support * 2013.22: Sunsetting of RWhois support - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-22.html I do not support this. I use it and at this time this is not easy to change when dealing with V6 integration and V4 run out as a priority. Support: * 2013.27: POC Validation Messaging Destination - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-27.html I support this. Although I do not see it as a pressing matter * 2013.28: POC Validation Message Removal Upon Validation - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-28.html I support this. Although I do not see it as a pressing matter * 2013.29: Improve ARIN Online Form Time-Out Behavior - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-29.html I support this. I have faced the same aggravation in the past. Regards Marla -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marty at akamai.com Tue Apr 1 22:17:15 2014 From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 22:17:15 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions Message-ID: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> ARIN? How many subscribers are on this list anyhow? Not supporting, I see there are active users... * 2013.22: Sunsetting of RWhois support - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-22.html Cheaper to manage resources via portal. Get rid of all vestiges of a yesteryear. Like email. Provide a notification option to make them use the portal, "You have mail!". * 2013.27: POC Validation Messaging Destination - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-27.html Support, super low priority * 2013.28: POC Validation Message Removal Upon Validation - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-28.html Support, but the better solution would be auto save of the form and manual save to be able to log back in and continue. * 2013.29: Improve ARIN Online Form Time-Out Behavior - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-29.html Support, low priority. * 2014.4: Support HTTPS for Whois-RWS - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2014-4.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jcurran at arin.net Tue Apr 1 22:52:12 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 02:52:12 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> Message-ID: <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > ARIN? How many subscribers are on this list anyhow? Apologies for the late reply: 227 Total list Members; 39 of which would be considered ARIN staff/Board/AC members or other RIR staff Thanks! /John From info at arin.net Thu Apr 3 11:13:11 2014 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:13:11 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List Message-ID: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> ARIN is soliciting community input on the idea of opening the current members-only ARIN Discuss mailing list, arin-discuss at arin.net, to the general public. Since its inception arin-discuss has been restricted to ARIN members, and it currently has approximately 2,450 subscribers. The list was created to provide a forum to discuss ARIN-specific operations, services, and fees so that the Public Policy Mailing List, arin-ppml at arin.net, could focus on community input into the Internet number resource policy development. ARIN is seeking a place to engage our community in dialogue on important topics such as Internet governance, particular in light of the recent announcement regarding transition of NTIA's IANA stewardship role. Additionally, ARIN recognizes that its services and practices affect those in the community who are not members. Opening the arin-discuss list would enable greater community input on these issues, and reduce non-policy related discussion on arin-ppml. Does the community support the use of arin-discuss for both global Internet governance matters and ARIN governance and non-policy discussions? Please provide us your opinion about opening the ARIN Discuss mailing list. Do you support this action, or not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. This consultation will remain open through 5 PM EDT Friday 25 April. Regards, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From bill at herrin.us Thu Apr 3 11:51:39 2014 From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:51:39 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:13 AM, ARIN wrote: > Does the community support the use of arin-discuss for both global > Internet governance matters and ARIN governance and non-policy > discussions? Please provide us your opinion about opening the ARIN > Discuss mailing list. > > Do you support this action, or not, and why? > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. The lack of a public mailing list for the discussion of ARIN governance and non-policy discussions has been a perennial problem which ARIN SHOULD resolve. Such discussions regularly clutter the policy list. Whether or not this requires eliminating or should be accomplished by eliminating the members-only mailing list is dubious at best. Mailing lists are not in short supply. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: Falls Church, VA 22042-3004 From jrhett at netconsonance.com Thu Apr 3 12:47:07 2014 From: jrhett at netconsonance.com (Jo Rhett) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:47:07 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:13 AM, ARIN wrote: > ARIN is soliciting community input on the idea of opening the current > members-only ARIN Discuss mailing list, arin-discuss at arin.net, to the > general public. No, no, no, and oh yeah NO. I cannot find any value in taking away the space available for members who utilize IP address space to discuss policy. The bar to entry is very low, such that many ARIN members are individuals or the smallest of businesses. There is no bar to entry beyond that of actually consuming IP space. Those who do not consume IP space have no reason to be concerned with policies. To be fair, understanding the role of ARIN and the necessity of regulations is a non-trivial effort for anyone new to them. Even people who have real IP space needs but are new to the process have a significant learning curve. Opening the list to people who will never utilize the process, and will thus never engage themselves enough to understand the process, will *NOT* improve conversation on the very real topics discussed here. A major point here is that most of us are serious network administrators with real jobs to do. Turning this mailing list into even more of a free-for-all will cause many of us to walk away from it. If we want to have an internet drama, there exist more than enough other places for us to engage in such silliness. I see no value to bring the drama here, as this is one of the few places where I can say that reasoned merit-based discussion occurs on a frequent basis. -- Jo Rhett +1 (415) 999-1798 Skype: jorhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects. From scottleibrand at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 12:53:21 2014 From: scottleibrand at gmail.com (Scott Leibrand) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:53:21 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> Message-ID: Membership requires $500, not just receipt of an assignment. Does that change your opinion about the barrier to entry? Scott > On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: > >> On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:13 AM, ARIN wrote: >> ARIN is soliciting community input on the idea of opening the current >> members-only ARIN Discuss mailing list, arin-discuss at arin.net, to the >> general public. > > > No, no, no, and oh yeah NO. > > I cannot find any value in taking away the space available for members who utilize IP address space to discuss policy. The bar to entry is very low, such that many ARIN members are individuals or the smallest of businesses. There is no bar to entry beyond that of actually consuming IP space. Those who do not consume IP space have no reason to be concerned with policies. > > To be fair, understanding the role of ARIN and the necessity of regulations is a non-trivial effort for anyone new to them. Even people who have real IP space needs but are new to the process have a significant learning curve. Opening the list to people who will never utilize the process, and will thus never engage themselves enough to understand the process, will *NOT* improve conversation on the very real topics discussed here. > > A major point here is that most of us are serious network administrators with real jobs to do. Turning this mailing list into even more of a free-for-all will cause many of us to walk away from it. If we want to have an internet drama, there exist more than enough other places for us to engage in such silliness. I see no value to bring the drama here, as this is one of the few places where I can say that reasoned merit-based discussion occurs on a frequent basis. > > -- > Jo Rhett > +1 (415) 999-1798 > Skype: jorhett > Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From paul at egate.net Thu Apr 3 12:55:28 2014 From: paul at egate.net (Paul Andersen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:55:28 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net>

Message-ID: <42E4C9C8-5C9D-4C93-B9B1-D011A4517FDD@egate.net> Scott, Just to clarify... Those under the "ISP / ALLOCATIONS? fee structure are members with the fees they already pay. Those under the "END-USERS / ASSIGNMENT? need to pay an additional $500/yr to become members. Cheers, Paul On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote: > Membership requires $500, not just receipt of an assignment. Does that change your opinion about the barrier to entry? > > Scott > >> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: >> >>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:13 AM, ARIN wrote: >>> ARIN is soliciting community input on the idea of opening the current >>> members-only ARIN Discuss mailing list, arin-discuss at arin.net, to the >>> general public. >> >> >> No, no, no, and oh yeah NO. >> >> I cannot find any value in taking away the space available for members who utilize IP address space to discuss policy. The bar to entry is very low, such that many ARIN members are individuals or the smallest of businesses. There is no bar to entry beyond that of actually consuming IP space. Those who do not consume IP space have no reason to be concerned with policies. >> >> To be fair, understanding the role of ARIN and the necessity of regulations is a non-trivial effort for anyone new to them. Even people who have real IP space needs but are new to the process have a significant learning curve. Opening the list to people who will never utilize the process, and will thus never engage themselves enough to understand the process, will *NOT* improve conversation on the very real topics discussed here. >> >> A major point here is that most of us are serious network administrators with real jobs to do. Turning this mailing list into even more of a free-for-all will cause many of us to walk away from it. If we want to have an internet drama, there exist more than enough other places for us to engage in such silliness. I see no value to bring the drama here, as this is one of the few places where I can say that reasoned merit-based discussion occurs on a frequent basis. >> >> -- >> Jo Rhett >> +1 (415) 999-1798 >> Skype: jorhett >> Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Consult >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing >> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services >> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From marty at akamai.com Thu Apr 3 12:58:12 2014 From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:58:12 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net>

Message-ID: <4F16A6BC-CAF2-4285-B9A8-1892661CE9EE@akamai.com> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote: > Membership requires $500, not just receipt of an assignment. Does that change your opinion about the barrier to entry? I'm hearing the worlds tiniest violins: https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html Best, -M< From jrhett at netconsonance.com Thu Apr 3 13:01:35 2014 From: jrhett at netconsonance.com (Jo Rhett) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:01:35 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net>

Message-ID: <3769B718-D37A-46D2-8D7A-DEB92E1DA764@netconsonance.com> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote: > Membership requires $500, not just receipt of an assignment. Does that change your opinion about the barrier to entry? 1. Incorrect. As I write the checks to ARIN from my personal account it took me less than 1 minute to prove otherwise. 2. Membership to use the local swimming pool is higher than that. Honestly the relevant question is this: please describe to me a real life scenario in which someone has concerns about ARIN policy which materially after their business/organization/whatever and the value of having a voice is less than the $100 I pay every year. -- Jo Rhett +1 (415) 999-1798 Skype: jorhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects. From bill at herrin.us Thu Apr 3 13:17:47 2014 From: bill at herrin.us (William Herrin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:17:47 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3769B718-D37A-46D2-8D7A-DEB92E1DA764@netconsonance.com> References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net>

<3769B718-D37A-46D2-8D7A-DEB92E1DA764@netconsonance.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote: >> Membership requires $500, not just receipt of an assignment. Does that change your opinion about the barrier to entry? > > > 1. Incorrect. As I write the checks to ARIN from my personal account it took me less than 1 minute to prove otherwise. > > 2. Membership to use the local swimming pool is higher than that. > > Honestly the relevant question is this: please describe to me a real life scenario in which someone has concerns about ARIN policy which materially after their business/organization/whatever and the value of having a voice is less than the $100 I pay every year. > If you got membership for $100 then somebody lied to me, 'cause I paid my $100 and I'm still not allowed to join arin-discuss. -Bill -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: Falls Church, VA 22042-3004 From dogwallah at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:21:15 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:21:15 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> Message-ID: As a non-member, I feel that I have an appropriate level of access to policy making via PPML and ARIN activities via arin-consult without being on the discuss list. Not in favor. Regards, McTim On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:13 AM, ARIN wrote: > ARIN is soliciting community input on the idea of opening the current > members-only ARIN Discuss mailing list, arin-discuss at arin.net, to the > general public. > > Since its inception arin-discuss has been restricted to ARIN members, > and it currently has approximately 2,450 subscribers. The list was > created to provide a forum to discuss ARIN-specific operations, > services, and fees so that the Public Policy Mailing List, > arin-ppml at arin.net, could focus on community input into the Internet > number resource policy development. > > ARIN is seeking a place to engage our community in dialogue on important > topics such as Internet governance, particular in light of the recent > announcement regarding transition of NTIA's IANA stewardship role. > > Additionally, ARIN recognizes that its services and practices affect > those in the community who are not members. Opening the arin-discuss > list would enable greater community input on these issues, and reduce > non-policy related discussion on arin-ppml. > > Does the community support the use of arin-discuss for both global > Internet governance matters and ARIN governance and non-policy > discussions? Please provide us your opinion about opening the ARIN > Discuss mailing list. > > Do you support this action, or not, and why? > > Please provide comments to arin-consult at arin.net. > > This consultation will remain open through 5 PM EDT Friday 25 April. > > Regards, > > Communications and Member Services > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN > Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From andrew.dul at quark.net Wed Apr 9 15:16:18 2014 From: andrew.dul at quark.net (Andrew Dul) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:16:18 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> Message-ID: <53459C82.2000308@quark.net> On 4/3/2014 8:13 AM, ARIN wrote: > ARIN is soliciting community input on the idea of opening the current > members-only ARIN Discuss mailing list, arin-discuss at arin.net, to the > general public. > > Since its inception arin-discuss has been restricted to ARIN members, > and it currently has approximately 2,450 subscribers. The list was > created to provide a forum to discuss ARIN-specific operations, > services, and fees so that the Public Policy Mailing List, > arin-ppml at arin.net, could focus on community input into the Internet > number resource policy development. > > ARIN is seeking a place to engage our community in dialogue on important > topics such as Internet governance, particular in light of the recent > announcement regarding transition of NTIA's IANA stewardship role. arin-discuss seems like an appropriate place for these discussions. > > Additionally, ARIN recognizes that its services and practices affect > those in the community who are not members. Opening the arin-discuss > list would enable greater community input on these issues, and reduce > non-policy related discussion on arin-ppml. > > Does the community support the use of arin-discuss for both global > Internet governance matters and ARIN governance and non-policy > discussions? Please provide us your opinion about opening the ARIN > Discuss mailing list. I perceive very little downside to opening the list to non-members, especially non-members who are holders of ARIN resources. How many members orgs does ARIN currently serve? How many non-member orgs does ARIN currently serve? Thanks, Andrew From jcurran at arin.net Wed Apr 9 15:34:58 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:34:58 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on the Future Use of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List In-Reply-To: <53459C82.2000308@quark.net> References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> <53459C82.2000308@quark.net> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Andrew Dul wrote: >> ARIN is seeking a place to engage our community in dialogue on important >> topics such as Internet governance, particular in light of the recent >> announcement regarding transition of NTIA's IANA stewardship role. > > arin-discuss seems like an appropriate place for these discussions. Andrew - Thanks for the feedback on this question. >> Additionally, ARIN recognizes that its services and practices affect >> those in the community who are not members. Opening the arin-discuss >> list would enable greater community input on these issues, and reduce >> non-policy related discussion on arin-ppml. >> >> Does the community support the use of arin-discuss for both global >> Internet governance matters and ARIN governance and non-policy >> discussions? Please provide us your opinion about opening the ARIN >> Discuss mailing list. > > I perceive very little downside to opening the list to non-members, > especially non-members who are holders of ARIN resources. > > How many members orgs does ARIN currently serve? > How many non-member orgs does ARIN currently serve? As of December 2013, the total number of Org IDs with directly registered IPv4 address blocks = 26,148 Of those: 4,520 are ARIN members Which means: 21,628 are non-member organizations Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN From jrhett at netconsonance.com Wed Apr 9 16:09:33 2014 From: jrhett at netconsonance.com (Jo Rhett) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:09:33 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] number of member/non-member organizations In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> <53459C82.2000308@quark.net> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:34 PM, John Curran wrote: > As of December 2013, the total number of Org IDs with directly > registered IPv4 address blocks = 26,148 > Of those: 4,520 are ARIN members > Which means: 21,628 are non-member organizations John, does ARIN have any flag for validated organizations? Or at least ones which have signed a contract? Based on personal experience and some attempts to retrieve orphan resources, I suspect there are a large number of dead or MIA organizations/persons in that list. I?ve been in contact with ARIN regarding at least 20-something resource holders where we were unable to fix incorrect data or otherwise establish appropriate chain of authority. These would show as duplicates for the organizations which are actively routing said resources today. ?assuming my experience has any statistical relevance. -- Jo Rhett +1 (415) 999-1798 Skype: jorhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects. From jcurran at arin.net Thu Apr 10 05:57:48 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:57:48 +0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] number of member/non-member organizations In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> <53459C82.2000308@quark.net>

Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:34 PM, John Curran wrote: >> As of December 2013, the total number of Org IDs with directly >> registered IPv4 address blocks = 26,148 >> Of those: 4,520 are ARIN members >> Which means: 21,628 are non-member organizations > > > John, does ARIN have any flag for validated organizations? Or at least ones which have signed a contract? Based on personal experience and some attempts to retrieve orphan resources, I suspect there are a large number of dead or MIA organizations/persons in that list. I?ve been in contact with ARIN regarding at least 20-something resource holders where we were unable to fix incorrect data or otherwise establish appropriate chain of authority. These would show as duplicates for the organizations which are actively routing said resources today. Jo - There is a last updated date field on both networks and organizations in the database, but a "validated" flag would be somewhat problematic (since a validated organization can become defunct at any time) It takes real effort by organizations to maintain accurate registry records, and there hasn't always been significant incentive to do so even for organizations that are simply changing contacts, let alone in the period when an organization is shutting its doors or similar exit. One of the benefits of an active transfer market is that it provides a tangible incentive for organizations to maintain accurate records, even to the point of facilitating the cleanup of registrations long past. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN From jrhett at netconsonance.com Thu Apr 10 11:30:21 2014 From: jrhett at netconsonance.com (Jo Rhett) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:30:21 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] number of member/non-member organizations In-Reply-To: References: <533D7A87.2080509@arin.net> <53459C82.2000308@quark.net>

Message-ID: <11985F9D-69C9-4048-8498-3611F6E2C984@netconsonance.com> On Apr 10, 2014, at 2:57 AM, John Curran wrote: > On Apr 9, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: >> John, does ARIN have any flag for validated organizations? Or at least ones which have signed a contract? Based on personal experience and some attempts to retrieve orphan resources, I suspect there are a large number of dead or MIA organizations/persons in that list. I?ve been in contact with ARIN regarding at least 20-something resource holders where we were unable to fix incorrect data or otherwise establish appropriate chain of authority. These would show as duplicates for the organizations which are actively routing said resources today. > > There is a last updated date field on both networks and organizations > in the database, but a "validated" flag would be somewhat problematic > (since a validated organization can become defunct at any time) > > It takes real effort by organizations to maintain accurate registry > records, and there hasn't always been significant incentive to do so > even for organizations that are simply changing contacts, let alone in > the period when an organization is shutting its doors or similar exit. I completely agree -- however I note that you have sent messages to contacts to ensure they are reachable, and list in the interface when they are not. Also, organizations that write a check to you annually are quite likely to exist ;-) All of the records which I am aware of which are "orphans" would not fit in either category for many multiples of years. -- Jo Rhett +1 (415) 999-1798 Skype: jorhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects. From vicky at twtelecom.net Fri Apr 11 18:18:48 2014 From: vicky at twtelecom.net (Vicky Cox) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:18:48 -0600 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Open Suggestion Review and Project Prioritization Survey Message-ID: <53486A48.8020906@twtelecom.net> * 2013.22: Sunsetting of RWhois support - Not supporting, however if implemented there would still need to be support for whois commands, so that older servers would still be able to access the new rwhois replacement. Most of the following already appear to be accepted, but including anyway and ordered for priority. * 2013.27: POC Validation Messaging Destination - Support. * 2013.29: Improve ARIN Online Form Time-Out Behavior - Support. * 2013.28: POC Validation Message Removal Upon Validation - Support. * 2014.4: Support HTTPS for Whois-RWS - Support. * 2014.6: RPKI ROAs with an origin of AS0 - Support. Vicky Cox tw telecom From info at arin.net Tue Apr 22 14:34:06 2014 From: info at arin.net (ARIN) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:34:06 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] ARIN Community Consultations Closing Soon Message-ID: <5356B61E.6050303@arin.net> ARIN has two open community consultations that will be closing soon. The success of the consultation process relies on your feedback. * **Closing on 25 April -- The Future of the ARIN Discuss Mailing List* Since its inception arin-discuss has been restricted to ARIN members, and we are now seeking a place to engage our community in dialogue on important topics such as Internet governance, particular in light of the recent announcement regarding transition of NTIA's IANA stewardship role. Does the community support opening arin-discuss to all and using this list for both global Internet governance matters and ARIN governance and non-policy discussions? Please provide us your opinion about opening the ARIN Discuss mailing list. *Closing on 29 April -- Open Suggestion Review and Project Prioritization Survey* We are asking you to review the active suggestions listed below and: 1. Comment on the merits of each - (eg. Worth doing, not worth the effort, must have, etc.) 2. For those you think have merit, rank them in your desired order of potential implementation. Be sure to read the more detailed notes at the url for each suggestion listed: * 2013.22: Sunsetting of RWhois support - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-22.html * 2013.27: POC Validation Messaging Destination - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-27.html * 2013.28: POC Validation Message Removal Upon Validation - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-28.html * 2013.29: Improve ARIN Online Form Time-Out Behavior - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2013-29.html * 2014.4: Support HTTPS for Whois-RWS - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2014-4.html * 2014.6: RPKI ROAs with an origin of AS0 - https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2014-6.html The information gleaned from this community feedback session will be used as feedback for ARIN management to help prioritize future work. In addition to input gathered at the ARIN meeting, we have a survey available at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ARIN33-Project_Prioritization_Survey ARIN seeks clear direction through community input, so your feedback is important to us. Please share your thoughts on both of these topics on arin-consult at arin.net. If you have any questions, please contact us at info at arin.net. Regards, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: