From info at arin.net Wed Apr 21 12:41:14 2010 From: info at arin.net (Member Services) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:41:14 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] =?windows-1252?q?Consultation_=96_Transfer_Listing?= =?windows-1252?q?_Service?= Message-ID: <4BCF2AAA.40905@arin.net> ARIN is seeking community input regarding the implementation of a Transfer Listing Service for parties with documented need who are seeking IPv4 address space and parties who are authorized resource holders that may potentially be able to make IPv4 number resource available for transfer. The Transfer Listing Service is proposed to facilitate the implementation of Section 8.3 of the Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM), entitled ?Transfers to Specified Recipients?, which allows a party to designate transfer of IPv4 number resources to a specified qualified recipient. The proposed Transfer Listing Service is located at www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing.html. It is a hypothetical model to generate discussion; ARIN is specifically interested in receiving feedback on the following: 1. How long should ARIN offer a Transfer Listing Service and what, if any, conditions should be tied to its availability? 2. As proposed, there is a usage agreement for participation. Is this a fair and reasonable requirement? 3. Under what conditions should ARIN disallow or remove either an organization listing or seeking IPv4 address space from the service? For example, if an organization has a Registration Services Agreement (?RSA?) with ARIN and is not current on payments with ARIN, should they be allowed to participate? 4. Should there be a fee associated with the Transfer Listing Service? If so, on what factors should the fee be based? 5. Are there any other factors that ARIN should consider in providing this service? A Transfer Listing Service will begin operation as soon as possible after the successful completion of this community consultation. Comments regarding this proposed Transfer Listing Service can be submitted through the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process, available at: https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/index.html Discussion on arin-consult at arin.net will close on 21 May 2010, at noon EDT. ARIN welcomes community-wide participation. Please address any process questions to info at arin.net. Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers From michael.dillon at bt.com Wed Apr 21 13:33:17 2010 From: michael.dillon at bt.com (michael.dillon at bt.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:33:17 +0100 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation - Transfer Listing Service In-Reply-To: <4BCF2AAA.40905@arin.net> Message-ID: <28E139F46D45AF49A31950F88C49745805D9C2E6@E03MVZ2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> > 1. How long should ARIN offer a Transfer Listing Service and > what, if any, conditions should be tied to its availability? No time limit. It can be shut down whenever the BoT thinks that the need has gone away. The only condition to listing should be that the organization holding the addresses has an RSA or LRSA in effect with ARIN and is in good standing. If ARIN staff believe that the holder of the address block would not meet all the policy conditions for transfer until a certain date, then ARIN should include that date in the listing. > 2. As proposed, there is a usage agreement for participation. > Is this a fair and reasonable requirement? Ground rules are a good idea. But the fundamentals should be to only list those with an RSA or LRSA. > 3. Under what conditions should ARIN disallow or remove > either an organization listing or seeking IPv4 address space > from the service? For example, if an organization has a > Registration Services Agreement > ("RSA") with ARIN and is not current on payments with ARIN, > should they be allowed to participate? Yes, if an organization falls behind in its payments the listings should be removed. Similarly if an organization is found to have violated their RSA or LRSA. > 4. Should there be a fee associated with the Transfer Listing Service? > If so, on what factors should the fee be based? No fee whatsoever. The listing should be something like a simplified whois directory that responds to queries on IP address, org name, contact name, and similar. And there should be an option to list all entries with a reasonable choice to have it sorted by date listed, size of block, etc. And it should have a RESTful interface. > 5. Are there any other factors that ARIN should consider in > providing this service? Yes. The listing should be minimalist and every page displayed should have a bold disclaimer that ARIN warrants nothing except that the organization listing the block for transfer does currently hold that block under ARIN rules and is currently in good standing with ARIN. Fundamentally, this listing service should not be about matching buyers and sellers, but about allowing third party sites such as eBay to determine whether an organization has a legitimate right to the block which they wish to transfer. To facilitate this the listing should allow the organization to list a reasonable amount of contact info of any type such as: Means: telephone Contact Info: (803)555-1234 Means: AIM Contact Info: MrLikerBiker Means: ebay Contact Info: ISPYardSale007 It might be good to supplement this with some means of listing contact info for eligible acquirers of a transfer under ARIN rules so that eBay, for instance, could verify that a bidder can actually complete the transaction. The intent is to keep ARIN in the business of publishing correct, known facts about IP address ranges, and out of the business of buying and selling. Note that although I used eBay as an example, I would expect that if transfers ever really got going, there would be at least one specialised site for IP address transfers, and probably two or three brokers doing occasional deals. ARIN doesn't need to be in that kind of business and should draw the line fairly sharply which is why I suggest a minimalist listing service more or less modeled on the idea of a whois directory subset. --Michael Dillon