From info at arin.net Mon Jul 27 16:21:37 2009 From: info at arin.net (Member Services) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:21:37 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Call for Community Consultation - Bulk WHOIS AUP Message-ID: <4A6E0C51.2030206@arin.net> ARIN is seeking community input regarding changes to the Acceptable Use Policy ("AUP") for bulk copies of ARIN WHOIS data as found on the Bulk WHOIS Request Form, available at https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/bulkwhois.pdf Presently, ARIN specifically prohibits redistribution of bulk WHOIS data. ARIN has recently determined that under some circumstances, it may be beneficial for one organization that has received bulk WHOIS data to provide it, subject to ARIN's express written permission, to another person/organization for conducting Internet operations or technical research. ARIN would maintain oversight on the usage of the data and require adherence to the Bulk WHOIS AUP, which the recipient organization must also sign. As a result, ARIN is suggesting the following addition to the AUP: "Distribution of derivative data is only permitted with express written of permission of ARIN and under the same terms as this AUP.? This change would allow redistribution when the use of the data is consistent with the AUP. The AUP with suggested text highlighted, can be found here: https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/bulkwhois_proposed.pdf ARIN is seeking comments regarding this proposed change through the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process, available at: https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/index.html Discussion on this list will close at noon EDT, 14 August 09. We welcome community-wide participation. Please address any process questions to info at arin.net. Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From sleibrand at internap.com Mon Jul 27 16:33:33 2009 From: sleibrand at internap.com (Scott Leibrand) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:33 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Call for Community Consultation - Bulk WHOIS AUP In-Reply-To: <4A6E0C51.2030206@arin.net> References: <4A6E0C51.2030206@arin.net> Message-ID: <4A6E0F1D.3020503@internap.com> Seems like a reasonable change to me. -Scott Member Services wrote: > ARIN is seeking community input regarding changes to the Acceptable Use > Policy ("AUP") for bulk copies of ARIN WHOIS data as found on the Bulk > WHOIS Request Form, available at > https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/bulkwhois.pdf > > Presently, ARIN specifically prohibits redistribution of bulk WHOIS > data. ARIN has recently determined that under some circumstances, it may > be beneficial for one organization that has received bulk WHOIS data to > provide it, subject to ARIN's express written permission, to another > person/organization for conducting Internet operations or technical > research. ARIN would maintain oversight on the usage of the data and > require adherence to the Bulk WHOIS AUP, which the recipient > organization must also sign. > > As a result, ARIN is suggesting the following addition to the AUP: > > "Distribution of derivative data is only permitted with express written > of permission of ARIN and under the same terms as this AUP.? > > This change would allow redistribution when the use of the data is > consistent with the AUP. The AUP with suggested text highlighted, can be > found here: > https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/bulkwhois_proposed.pdf > > ARIN is seeking comments regarding this proposed change through the ARIN > Consultation and Suggestion Process, available at: > https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/index.html > > Discussion on this list will close at noon EDT, 14 August 09. > > We welcome community-wide participation. Please address any process > questions to info at arin.net. > > Regards, > > Member Services > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the > ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From owen at delong.com Mon Jul 27 16:36:12 2009 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:36:12 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Call for Community Consultation - Bulk WHOIS AUP In-Reply-To: <4A6E0C51.2030206@arin.net> References: <4A6E0C51.2030206@arin.net> Message-ID: <7325AC18-EA86-44F1-8589-B3FDC991064B@delong.com> I would delete the second occurrence of the word "of" from the sentence such that it would read: "Distribution of derivative data is only permitted with express of permission of ARIN and under the same terms as this AUP." I would also suggest considering "... with the express permission..." (add the word the). Otherwise, I think this is an excellent idea. Owen On Jul 27, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Member Services wrote: > ARIN is seeking community input regarding changes to the Acceptable > Use > Policy ("AUP") for bulk copies of ARIN WHOIS data as found on the Bulk > WHOIS Request Form, available at > https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/bulkwhois.pdf > > Presently, ARIN specifically prohibits redistribution of bulk WHOIS > data. ARIN has recently determined that under some circumstances, it > may > be beneficial for one organization that has received bulk WHOIS data > to > provide it, subject to ARIN's express written permission, to another > person/organization for conducting Internet operations or technical > research. ARIN would maintain oversight on the usage of the data and > require adherence to the Bulk WHOIS AUP, which the recipient > organization must also sign. > > As a result, ARIN is suggesting the following addition to the AUP: > > "Distribution of derivative data is only permitted with express > written > of permission of ARIN and under the same terms as this AUP.? > > This change would allow redistribution when the use of the data is > consistent with the AUP. The AUP with suggested text highlighted, > can be > found here: > https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/bulkwhois_proposed.pdf > > ARIN is seeking comments regarding this proposed change through the > ARIN > Consultation and Suggestion Process, available at: > https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/index.html > > Discussion on this list will close at noon EDT, 14 August 09. > > We welcome community-wide participation. Please address any process > questions to info at arin.net. > > Regards, > > Member Services > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the > ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact > the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prescott at wcoil.com Tue Jul 28 10:35:52 2009 From: prescott at wcoil.com (prescott at wcoil.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation - Bulk WHOIS AUP Message-ID: I have to say that at first glance I am against any proposal that would make bulk whois data easier to get. I have some questions I hope someone can answer: 1: why/what prompted the request for this change? 2: Why couldn't other organizations get permission/data directly from arin? 3: if ARIN has to be involved in the process either way, isn't it just creating extra work anyway? I would greatly appreciate answers to these questions so I can better form a opinion. Thanks. From owen at delong.com Tue Jul 28 12:32:15 2009 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:32:15 -0700 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation - Bulk WHOIS AUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:35 AM, prescott at wcoil.com wrote: > I have to say that at first glance I am against any proposal that > would make bulk whois data easier to get. > I have some questions I hope someone can answer: > 1: why/what prompted the request for this change? I don't know, but, I do know of at least one organization that has a desire to use it. > 2: Why couldn't other organizations get permission/data directly > from arin? They could. However, the desire I am aware of is to be able to publish data that results from analysis of ARIN whois data under some limitations with ARIN approval. The desire is not to republish the entire bulk whois data to my knowledge. > 3: if ARIN has to be involved in the process either way, isn't it > just creating extra work anyway? > It would make available to the community (or portions of the community) aggregated statistical and some additional types of distilled data that can be generated from the bulk whois data. It allows forms of analysis and correlation that ARIN currently does not do. I would cite more specific examples, but, much of what I am aware of is under NDA at this time. Owen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2105 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jcurran at arin.net Tue Jul 28 15:23:18 2009 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:23:18 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation - Bulk WHOIS AUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 28, 2009, at 10:35 AM, prescott at wcoil.com wrote: > > I have to say that at first glance I am against any proposal that > would > make bulk whois data easier to get. > I have some questions I hope someone can answer: > 1: why/what prompted the request for this change? An organization A became aware of the work done with WHOIS data at organization B. Org B indicated that they like to share the analysis, but couldn't due to the Bulk WHOIS AUP. ARIN was contacted and I realized that our policy does indeed prevent this sharing, and thanked both organizations for respecting the policy as written and raising this issue. > 2: Why couldn't other organizations get permission/data directly from > arin? In the particular case that prompted this, ARIN doesn't hold the derivative data; it's someone else's analysis. > 3: if ARIN has to be involved in the process either way, isn't it > just > creating extra work anyway? The Bulk WHOIS AUP was designed to facilitate research; it seemed that it was hindering in this case. > I would greatly appreciate answers to these questions so I can > better form > a opinion. Hopefully, my responses help fill in some of the necessary background. /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN