From info at dragon-projects.de Fri Jan 23 13:51:41 2009 From: info at dragon-projects.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Bartels?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:51:41 +0100 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Hello / database restructuring/updating Message-ID: Hello list, reason I got here is I wrote a mail to one of the "recource analysts" regarding automated update processes of the ARIN database and he suggested so. Well, as I wrote in the mail sent to that analyst, I have had some experience writing a web-based update client/api for RIPE registration database for our network customers and internal tools at work. One of my main questions was if there will be anything like the interface the RIPE is providing? As I understand this discussion list will close in about a week, so I would like to get a brief overview of how far you got here till now! Thanks a lot in advance YT BB [Bj?rn Bartels - dragon-projects.de ] [web application development ] [email : info at dragon-projects.de ] [home : http://dragon-projects.de ] [skype : bb-drummer ] [phone : ++49 171 9606240 ] [----------------------------------- ] Diese E-Mail k?nnte vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail sind nicht gestattet. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [----------------------------------- ] From heather.schiller at verizonbusiness.com Mon Jan 26 14:33:01 2009 From: heather.schiller at verizonbusiness.com (Heather Schiller) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:33:01 -0500 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Hello / database restructuring/updating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497E0FED.7000302@verizonbusiness.com> Archives: http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2008-December/thread.html --heather Bj?rn Bartels wrote: > Hello list, > > reason I got here is I wrote a mail to one of the "recource analysts" > regarding automated update processes of the ARIN database and he > suggested so. > > Well, as I wrote in the mail sent to that analyst, I have had some > experience writing a web-based update client/api for RIPE registration > database for our network customers and internal tools at work. One of > my main questions was if there will be anything like the interface the > RIPE is providing? > > As I understand this discussion list will close in about a week, so I > would like to get a brief overview of how far you got here till now! > > Thanks a lot in advance > > YT > BB > > > [Bj?rn Bartels - dragon-projects.de ] > [web application development ] > > [email : info at dragon-projects.de ] > [home : http://dragon-projects.de ] > [skype : bb-drummer ] > [phone : ++49 171 9606240 ] > > [----------------------------------- ] > > Diese E-Mail k?nnte vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte > Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind > oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte > sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte > Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail sind nicht > gestattet. > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in > error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. > Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material > in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > > [----------------------------------- ] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > From info at dragon-projects.de Thu Jan 29 14:34:29 2009 From: info at dragon-projects.de (=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Bj=F6rn_Bartels?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:34:29 +0100 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Hello / database restructuring/updating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29DDEAEA-6960-4BC7-82F4-3065BA2CE5C0@dragon-projects.de> Hello Cathy, thanks for your reply... > We are not familiar with the RIPE interface since each RIR has > typically developed its own based on its own community's particular > needs. Well, I noticed APNIC, AfriNIC and RIPE are using a databased scheme based on RPSL specifications (RFC 2622) (hehe ;) ok that might happen because, AFAIK, RIPE is maintaining those other two databased, also). > When asking if whatever we will develop will be like RIPE's > interface, what level of detail were you asking about? Did you want > to know whether we will use the same underlying technology or, more > specifically, the same labels and database fields? > Also, perhaps you could clarify what it is about RIPE's interface > that interests you regarding our design. > In fact, the underlying technology and database scheme as well as available labels and/or database fields are of great interest to me, as a developer ;) as you might agree, only known or at least populated "standards" enable us developers to write software to interact with your database. > Regarding why this is coming up now, we have release a Secure > Website where various types of requests and interactions can be > handled. The inquiry underway is to survey the community about > methods for more automated "bulk update" type of requests. Ah I see, well, RIPE's interface, respectivly website isn't a secured one at all, you did not even need a personal log-in, but this based on its database (technique): a maintainer, who wants to change/add a registraion and/or setting of some sort, has to provide an encrypted authorization info within his request. For that they are able to provide a RPC like interface for developers to interact with, which of course is perfect for my/our API and web-based client-application. In fact, it's a "simple" CGI script accepting request via HTTP(S)-POST. So, a question would be: is RPSL, as it's defined in RFC-2622, along with some RPC or CGI interface an option to you? http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2622.txt > > > Apologies if I have misunderstood your inquiry. Please feel free to > clarify or ask anything further. Once I better understand the > direction of your inquiry, we'll try to have someone respond on > list. Perhaps it will initiate additional discussion. > Well I hope I was able to make myself clear, as I am German and English is "just" a another language I (try to ;)) speak. YT BB > Regards, > > Cathy Murphy > ARIN > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-consult- >> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Bj?rn Bartels >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM >> To: arin-consult at arin.net >> Subject: [ARIN-consult] Hello / database restructuring/updating >> >> Hello list, >> >> reason I got here is I wrote a mail to one of the "recource analysts" >> regarding automated update processes of the ARIN database and he >> suggested so. >> >> Well, as I wrote in the mail sent to that analyst, I have had some >> experience writing a web-based update client/api for RIPE >> registration >> database for our network customers and internal tools at work. One of >> my main questions was if there will be anything like the interface >> the >> RIPE is providing? >> >> As I understand this discussion list will close in about a week, so I >> would like to get a brief overview of how far you got here till now! >> >> Thanks a lot in advance >> >> YT >> BB >> >> >> [Bj?rn Bartels - dragon-projects.de ] >> [web application development ] >> >> [email : info at dragon-projects.de ] >> [home : http://dragon-projects.de ] >> [skype : bb-drummer ] >> [phone : ++49 171 9606240 ] >> >> [----------------------------------- ] >> >> Diese E-Mail k?nnte vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte >> Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind >> oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte >> sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte >> Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail sind nicht >> gestattet. >> >> This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. >> If >> you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in >> error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. >> Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material >> in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. >> >> [----------------------------------- ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Consult >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >> Consult Mailing >> List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact >> the >> ARIN Member Services >> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > [Bj?rn Bartels - dragon-projects.de ] [web application development ] [email : info at dragon-projects.de ] [home : http://dragon-projects.de ] [skype : bb-drummer ] [phone : ++49 171 9606240 ] [----------------------------------- ] Diese E-Mail k?nnte vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. 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[----------------------------------- ] From michael.dillon at bt.com Thu Jan 29 16:51:32 2009 From: michael.dillon at bt.com (michael.dillon at bt.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:51:32 -0000 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Hello / database restructuring/updating In-Reply-To: <29DDEAEA-6960-4BC7-82F4-3065BA2CE5C0@dragon-projects.de> Message-ID: > So, a question would be: is RPSL, as it's defined in > RFC-2622, along with some RPC or CGI interface an option to you? > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2622.txt I think that an important feature of ARIN's whois database schema, should be that it can easily produce RPSL format so that there is no technical barrier to interworking with the other RIRs. This would extend to a scenario where one could send all whois queries to ARIN, and if the answer is in RIPE's directory, ARIN can retrieve it and pass it along in an answer that is structured identically to answers coming from ARIN's directory. And this should be reciprocal so that someone in Europe can query RIPE, they pass it to ARIN, get the answer and send it to their client in correct RIPE RPSL format. Let's reuse whatever we can, avoid reinventing the wheel unless there is a high likelihood that other RIRs will adopt the new wheel, and try to use off-the-shelf FOSS sofware components as much as possible. --Michael Dillon From info at dragon-projects.de Fri Jan 30 02:01:00 2009 From: info at dragon-projects.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Bartels?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:01:00 +0100 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Hello / database restructuring/updating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A17239-442F-4188-B78D-6213F4382312@dragon-projects.de> Am 29.01.2009 um 22:51 schrieb : > >> So, a question would be: is RPSL, as it's defined in >> RFC-2622, along with some RPC or CGI interface an option to you? >> >> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2622.txt > > I think that an important feature of ARIN's whois database schema, > should be that it can easily produce RPSL format so that there is no > technical barrier to interworking with the other RIRs. This would > extend to a scenario where one could send all whois queries to ARIN, > and if the answer is in RIPE's directory, ARIN can retrieve it and > pass it along in an answer that is structured identically to answers > coming from ARIN's directory. And this should be reciprocal so that > someone in Europe can query RIPE, they pass it to ARIN, get the > answer and send it to their client in correct RIPE RPSL format. > > Let's reuse whatever we can, avoid reinventing the wheel unless > there is a high likelihood that other RIRs will adopt the new wheel, > and try to use off-the-shelf FOSS sofware components as much as > possible. > > --Michael Dillon > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Consult > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the > ARIN Consult Mailing > List (ARIN-consult at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact > the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > And, in fact, they do not even have to reinvent it. The ARIN staff (may be) just have to adapt/import their data. During my research in the initiation of our project, I once came across this http://www.ripe.net/db/rpsl/#software ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/software/ Once this is adapted, even a testing system could easily be set-up. If there is a licence issue, which I doupt because RIPE released its server under GNU's GPL, I am sure ARIN and RIPE are able to figure out something ;) YT BB [Bj?rn Bartels - dragon-projects.de ] [web application development ] [email : info at dragon-projects.de ] [home : http://dragon-projects.de ] [skype : bb-drummer ] [phone : ++49 171 9606240 ] [----------------------------------- ] Diese E-Mail k?nnte vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail sind nicht gestattet. 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The archives of this discussion are available at: http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/consult/ Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)