From mstotyn at enmax.com Wed Apr 2 12:28:39 2008 From: mstotyn at enmax.com (Stotyn, Mel) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:28:39 -0600 Subject: [consult] Community Consultation - Daily Publication of IP Addresses Issued and Returned Message-ID: <2A6EBA7B37001A46BD4DB830398EC81B09E163@MAIL04.enmax.com> Member Services wrote: > ARIN would like to consult the community on the merits of the second > part of Suggestion 2008-2 [excerpt below, full suggestion at bottom]: > > "In addition, ARIN should publish a report of addresses returned, and > addresses issued, in the form of a mailing list (with daily email) and > an RSS feed. This will only contain allocations/assignments made > directly by ARIN or address blocks returned to ARIN's free pool. The > intent is that RBL operators can subscribe to such a feed and keep their > own lists clean." > > Although there is some merit in allowing the community prompt visibility > to both the IP blocks being returned to ARIN's available pool of > addresses and the IP blocks being issued by ARIN to the community, we > also see this as a potential target for abuse. Specifically, certain > parties may take the opportunity to use and announce IP addresses from > these ranges without having the administrative authority to do so. To > that end, there are two questions we like to ask the community: > > 1) Does the community think that the merits of this proposal outweigh > the potential for abuse? > > 2) If the merits do outweigh the abuse, what sorts of suggestions do you > have to mitigate potential for abuse? 1) Yes 2) Perhaps the list could be published to an accredited list of existing list maintainers, such as Team-Cymru.org. Then ISPs could continue to use current practices with more confidence that the lists are current. These accredited list maintainers should not be allowed to turn that privileged position into a revenue stream though. Mel Stotyn Senior Operations Specialist ENMAX Envision Inc. mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com Phone: 403 514-3443 ************************************************************************ This e-mail message is intended only for the person(s) named above and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the person named or have not been authorized by them to access their mail, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, saving, or forwarding. ************************************************************************ From Cheryl.Klein at experian.com Mon Apr 7 15:03:34 2008 From: Cheryl.Klein at experian.com (Klein, Cheryl) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:03:34 -0700 Subject: [consult] Suggestion 2008-2, ARIN Addresses Returned / Issued List Message-ID: <59D364701730784C9D99565361FC27BE0315AA5C@cmsexch01.ena.us.experian.local> I'm a bit confused. Isn't this simply a request to formalize a list that can be collected from a prolonged research of the ARIN Whois database? And, if this is an accurate assessment, then isn't the concern more about ownership and responsibility of such a formalized list that would be concisely provided and maintained? The abuse by a party to use and announce IP addresses without having the administrative authority to do so exists today, it seems to me, with or without such a formal list and has been transgressed. Or am I misunderstanding something? Regards, Cheryl Klein Network Architecture Experian Americas v: 714-830-7863 f: 714-830-2404 e: cheryl.klein at experian.com Handle: CK192-ARIN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at arin.net Fri Apr 11 15:39:25 2008 From: info at arin.net (Member Services) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:39:25 -0400 Subject: [consult] Consultation Regarding "Daily Publication of IP Addresses Issued and Returned" Now Closed Message-ID: <47FFBE6D.6080401@arin.net> ARIN thanks the community for its input regarding the suggestion on the daily publication of issued and returned IP Addresses. ARIN staff will review the input and will report back to the community next week with its intended course of action. The archives of this discussion are available at: http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/consult/ Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From info at arin.net Mon Apr 14 15:57:09 2008 From: info at arin.net (Member Services) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:57:09 -0400 Subject: [consult] Changes to Mailing List Names Message-ID: <4803B715.9080304@arin.net> As a result of a suggestion made through ARIN's Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP), ARIN will be standardizing two mailing list names. ARIN's Public Policy Mailing List (PPML), ppml at arin.net, will be renamed arin-ppml at arin.net. Similarly, ARIN's Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP) Mailing List, consult at arin.net, will be renamed arin-consult at arin.net. Both of these changes will be implemented between 6am EDT and 8am EDT April 23, 2008. During this brief outage, subscriptions will be migrated to the new mailing list names and mailing list archives will be converted to their new names. Organizations may need to adjust mail filters and anti-spam software accordingly. Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) From info at arin.net Thu Apr 24 16:45:41 2008 From: info at arin.net (Member Services) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:45:41 -0400 Subject: [ARIN-consult] Results of Consultation Regarding "Daily Publication of IP Addresses Issued and Returned" Message-ID: <4810F175.3090701@arin.net> There were very few responses during this consultation based on part two of Suggestion 2008.2. [excerpt below, full suggestion at bottom]: "In addition, ARIN should publish a report of addresses returned, and addresses issued, in the form of a mailing list (with daily email) and an RSS feed. This will only contain allocations/assignments made directly by ARIN or address blocks returned to ARIN's free pool. The intent is that RBL operators can subscribe to such a feed and keep their own lists clean." Given the minimal interest while understanding the value to the community, we will implement this service on a trial basis for three months which will commence on 1 January, 2009. If there are reports of abuse during that period, the service will be terminated. Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) ******************* 2008.2 Submitted 01-17-2008 05:39:14 ARIN should track all RBLs, DUNS and similar IP address blacklists. Then, when an address block is re-issued to another organization or returned from an organization, ARIN should check these lists. If addresses from the re-issued block are found on one of the lists, then ARIN should attempt to inform the list maintainer. In addition, ARIN should publish a report of addresses returned, and addresses issued, in the form of a mailing list (with daily email) and an RSS feed. This will only contain allocations/assignments made directly by ARIN or address blocks returned to ARIN's free pool. The intent is that RBL operators can subscribe to such a feed and keep their own lists clean. ********************