ARIN Justified..

requiring past allocations to adhere to a new policy is not what was
discussed. Recovering vast amounts of previously allocated (and UNUSED) IP
address space is an entirely DIFFERENT subject.

I would not suggest applying new policies to existing USAGE.  Remember,
recovering unused IP space from /8s that are floating around out there is
not the same as establishing a clearly defined, efficiency focused IP
address usage policy that allows for exceptions but does require technical
reasons (in the form of documentation) for not adhering to that policy.  It
should be clear in stating that policy and business model are NOT
justification (as they are not technical reasons).  On the same line, I
think a technical justification exceptions should be protocol-based, not
vendor based.


-Clay


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vwp at arin.net [mailto:owner-vwp at arin.net]On Behalf Of Charles
Scott
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:48 AM
To: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
Cc: Gilbert Martin @ Learning Solutions; 'Joe DeCosta'; 'Chris Miller';
'Jim Macknik'; 'vwp at arin.net'
Subject: Re: ARIN Justified..



On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:

> 	"grandfathered" delegations have been done so for a reason.
> 	changing the rules after the fact and forcing renumbering
> 	will bring legal challanges.

  This is a good point, but the same can be said of existing allocations
when trying to justify additional address space. In otherwords, if a
hosting service has currently deployed IP based hosting, which was
necessary/reasonable/acceptable in the past, it would seem to be unfair to
refuse additional address space until those conform to a new policy
(which may require significant time and expense).
  Still, I belive that everyone has an interest in extending the life of
IPv4 address space, particularly in many cases companies with historic
large allocations, and should therefore be compliant with efforts to
reclaim any large unused address space. But the question of what is more
reasonable, to reclaim "unused" address space or force improved efficency
of address space currently providing valuable service, seems to be a
no-brainer.x

Chuck Scott
Gaslight Media