ARIN Justified...

Do you have ANY idea of what you are saying?  Sorry for appearing brash,
but...I run the IP maintenance organization at Exodus, and I would easily
stack our allocation policy up against anybody's.

You have no idea what you are talking about in regard to larger companies.
Exodus consumes a very modest amount of address space given our size and
presence on the Internet.  There are much smaller competitors of ours that
consume larger amounts of IP space.

Exodus is already pioneering the efficiency of use ideology that I would
like to see ARIN adopt (a strong HTTP1.1 stance on ARIN's part is a good
start).  We currently require extensive supporting documentation for IP
requests from all our Customers.  A Customer has to show a documented need
for their usage request and we file all these requests and refer to past
requests and detail as additional requests for address space occur.  This
method gives us a very clear and honest indication of IP address usage
growth. This allows us to support our Customers' IP addressing needs in a
very accurate and efficient way.  The end result is less consumption of IPv4
space across the board.

Clayton Lambert
Exodus Communications


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vwp at arin.net [mailto:owner-vwp at arin.net]On Behalf Of Stephen
Elliott
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Virtual IP List
Subject: RE: ARIN Justified...


	The big guys that you refer to are generally not in the web hosting
business and therefore are outside of the scope of this conversation.
The real concern is the big guys like Exodus and UUNet.  Since IPv6 is
not a viable option for general consumption yet, we need to concentrate
on conserving the existing IPv4 space.  As far as search engines go, if
enough sites start using HTTP1.1 software virtual servers, they will be
forced to upgrade their spiders to support it.  I would suggest that one
of the main issues at hand is billing.  Billing for web hosting
companies that is.  Most companies bundle bandwidth with their hosting
packages, and current billing packages utilize destination IP address
information to gather this information.  If there is not a way to get
this information without drastic changes to both billing software and in
some cases hardware, there will be very strong opposition to any changes
in the way IP addresses are given out.
-Stephen

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