Abuse of ARIN policies.

i must express my apologies for cursing to the list, it was immature and a
slip, i did ^X y a little too quickly..

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Joe DeCosta
joe at decosta.org
~Off to see the wonderful wizard of Oz!~
~because of the wonderful things he does!~

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Joe DeCosta wrote:

> we're talking about an ideal world, and in ideal world none of that would
> happen :-P lol....... but that is the drawbakc, you have to used like NT
> hosting to take care of that shit.....
> 
> ______________________
> Joe DeCosta
> joe at decosta.org
> ~Off to see the wonderful wizard of Oz!~
> ~because of the wonderful things he does!~
> 
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Simon wrote:
> 
> > Here are few for you to answer: How do you implement traffic shapping
> > on a shared web server without dedicated IPs? this is necessary for
> > high-traffic websites. Also, how do you block an IP at the router/kernel
> > when you're being attacked (or just have the need) just on that single
> > IP without affecting other 100+ clients?
> > 
> > -Simon
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Joe DeCosta wrote:
> > 
> > >ok, why does ANYONE need more than say 10 IP's for 100 domains
> > >hosted??? and thats high traffice hosting too
> > >i've seen networks do gigabytes in a few hours with as little as 15 IP's
> > >and something like 250 domains....with ssl......on NT no less........
> > >
> > >______________________
> > >Joe DeCosta
> > >joe at decosta.org
> > >~Off to see the wonderful wizard of Oz!~
> > >~because of the wonderful things he does!~
> > >
> > >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Chapel Support wrote:
> > >
> > >> Come on guys.    As a webhosting provider we have to justify to ARIN
> > >> when we ask for new IP space.
> > >> 
> > >> A "busy" web hosting provider should be able to expect help from large
> > >> virtual ISP's, and a simple request for your numbering is not a lot to
> > >> be asked for.... 
> > >> 
> > >> We have clients that control 500-600 IP's and when a client does not pay
> > >> them they simply recycle that IP to another domain.  For us to keep
> > >> track of all these guy's activity would require additional tech people
> > >> to keep track of nothing but changes. 
> > >> 
> > >> We ask for this not to pilfer your client's but to get more IP's from
> > >> ARIN.
> > >> 
> > >> Lee Murphy
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-vwp at arin.net [mailto:owner-vwp at arin.net] On Behalf Of Potent
> > >> Products
> > >> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:58 PM
> > >> To: ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)
> > >> Subject: Re: Abuse of ARIN policies.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Sounds to me like your Hosting company is asking you to do "their work"
> > >> for them. By default, when you have space on "someone else's" Server,
> > >> there is nothing you can hide from them. Ergo: they should know
> > >> everything you are doing.
> > >> 
> > >> Although they have the "authority" to make a request (like the one you
> > >> describe) I would CMA by sending the information directly to your
> > >> Hoster, using double-registered Postal Mail.
> > >> 
> > >> Just a thought.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Website Rob
> > >> Sitemaster at
> > >> http://www.PotentProducts.com
> > >> ------------------------------------------
> > >> Helping people create a Potent Web Site
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "L. James Prevo" <president at prevo.net>
> > >> To: "ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)" <vwp at arin.net>
> > >> Sent: April 27, 2001 3:25 PM
> > >> Subject: Abuse of ARIN policies.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> I though I would pass this onto the users of this list.  I am wondering
> > >> about your feelings about this.  Is ARIN requesting this info as this
> > >> message to this user suggest?
> > >> 
> > >> L. James Prevo
> > >> President
> > >> The Prevo Network
> > >> http://www.prevo.net
> > >> "The Place Where We Unlock Your Doors to the Net!"
> > >> 
> > >> Message: 5
> > >> From: "hirsh -e-skwirtz" <hirsheskwirtz at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: cobalt-users at list.cobalt.com
> > >> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:16:20 -0700
> > >> Subject: [cobalt-users] what the hell kind of crap is this???
> > >> Reply-To: cobalt-users at list.cobalt.com
> > >> 
> > >> my isp and server provider sent me this email - demanding my custoner
> > >> list -
> > >> 
> > >> has anybody ever had to deal with this sort of intrusion?
> > >> 
> > >> we have been told we will loose our servers if we do not comply
> > >> 
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> 
> > >> Subject: IP audit
> > >> CC: ipadmin at cobaltracks.com
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Hi,
> > >> 
> > >> Our IP's are being checked (audited) by ARIN. We must justify the IP
> > >> usage to ARIN or we may lose IP's. If we lose the IP's we might not be
> > >> able to provide some services to you, Cobalt Racks customers (one of our
> > >> major competitors recently lost a big part of their IP allocation).
> > >> 
> > >> As you know, there is a shortage of IP's worldwide. Please help us to
> > >> keep the IP's and provide services for you. This is what we need:
> > >> 
> > >> - Complete list of all your IP's
> > >> 
> > >> - Complete list of ALL DOMAINS on EACH IP.
> > >> 
> > >> We count on your support. This information is confidential and goes only
> > >> to ARIN, which is a non-profit organization.
> > >> 
> > >> Please send this back by Friday, May 4, 2001. WE MUST HAVE THIS
> > >> INFORMATION!
> > >> 
> > >> Please send the list to ipadmin at cobaltracks.com
> > >> 
> > >> Thank you.
> > >> 
> > >> Tom Surmiak
> > >> Sales
> > >> Cobalt Racks
> > >> 
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