WebHosting Policy- SSL (fwd)

Fri Apr 27 14:08:27 EDT 2001

I agree completely we will probably never see IPV6.  Last time someone
asked I said 10 years but even that is with very high hopes and complete
changes in how new systems are setup.

If everything we add has compatibilty to just instantly work both ways
and we start now 10 years may happen.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil H. [mailto:neil-list at hostmysite.com]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:53 PM
To: Joe DeCosta; vwp at arin.net
Subject: Re: WebHosting Policy- SSL (fwd)

And for that reason alone it should be noted that IPV6 will never be
seen.
The only way it could possibly work is to start with a new network from
scratch.

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe DeCosta" <joe at decosta.org>
To: <vwp at arin.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: WebHosting Policy- SSL (fwd)

> I'm curious if you really understand the implications of "just get
IPv6
> working and forget about all this really are.  EVERY router in the
world,
> and ever workstation MUST be either upgraded or patched to work with
both
> IPv4 and IPv6, and until they are all patched we can't begin to move
over
> to IP6.  IP6 is too far away because of what will have to be done with
> every router etc......workstations and end users aren't going to be
that
> hard, because it's either replace some files in the system folder
(mac),
> update some DLL's (windows), or replace some libraries and madify the
> kernel (*nix), the client side is the easiet to convert, get all the
> routers done and we can do it, but until then, we have to just deal
with
> it........
>
> ===================
>
> Yes Sir, we'll get right on it, Sir :)
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
> >Do you guys realize the amount of account required to do that? It
would
> >make my zone huge and then to go back and delete it. Also my
resellers
> >wouldn't like that. This would be a complete nightmare. Just get IPv6
> >working and forget about all this.
> >
> >Neil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Hershey" <hershey at easystreet.com>
> To: "ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)" <vwp at arin.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:57 PM
> Subject: RE: WebHosting Policy- SSL
>
>
>
> >
> > One way is to use alternate hostnames in our a different domain
(such as
> the
> > domain of the hosting provider, i.e. username.domain.com). This also
> allows
> > customers to access the site before it moves, and to access in the
event
> > there are problems with their domain, such as it being placed 'On
Hold'
> by
> > their registrar.
> > --
> >
> > -Chris Hershey
> > hershey at easystreet.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-vwp at arin.net [mailto:owner-vwp at arin.net]On Behalf Of
Neil
> H.
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:50 AM
> > > To: ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: WebHosting Policy- SSL
> > >
> > >
> > > For new accounts setup that use FrontPage extensions how would a
user
> pre
> > > publish their site before the domain name resolved?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Darte" <billd at cait.wustl.edu>
> > > To: "'L. James Prevo'" <president at prevo.net>; "ARIN Virtual Web
> Hosting
> > > (E-mail)" <vwp at arin.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: WebHosting Policy- SSL
> > >
> > >
> > > > That would be the technical justification you would provide to
ARIN
> > > >
> > > > Bill Darte
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: L. James Prevo [mailto:president at prevo.net]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:13 PM
> > > > > To: Bill Darte; ARIN Public Policy (E-mail); ARIN Virtual Web
> Hosting
> > > > > (E-mail); ARIN Clew (E-mail)
> > > > > Subject: Re: Supporting ISPs with WebHosting Policy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > ARIN subscription holders who provide virtual webhosting
> > > > > > services to their
> > > > > > > customers, and organizations that request new address
space
> > > > > > from ARIN, are
> > > > > > > strongly encouraged to employ a name-based system of
> > > > > webhosting -- a
> > > > > > > current best practice method which enables multiple
domains
> > > > > > to be hosted
> > > > > > > by a single IP address. In contrast, an IP-based system
> requires
> a
> > > > > > > distinct IP number for each domain, which, where not
> > > > > > required for the
> > > > > > > technical basis of services offered, is an inefficient use
> > > > > > of addresses.
> > > > > > > Widespread use of the name-based system will significantly
> > > > > > reduce the
> > > > > > > number of addresses needed for webhosting and will help to
> > > > > > conserve the
> > > > > > > limited supply of available address space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > POLICY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When an ISP submits a request for IP address space to be
> > > > > > used for IP-based
> > > > > > > webhosting, they will supply technical justification for
> > > > > > this practice. ARIN
> > > > > > > will collect this data for review of the policy in light
of
> > > > > > operational
> > > > > > > experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a server that has SSL (Secure Socket Layers) For a web
site
> > > > > to have its own SSL the server requires the domain name or
site
> > > > > to have its own IP #, which is how SSL works. What about sites
> > > > > that have SSL and need their own IP #?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a budget web host, a majority of my sites are all named
> > > > > based. However I have sites that have thier own SSL and need
> > > > > their own IP #.
> > > > >
> > > > > How is ARIN going to handle this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it being addressed?
> > > > >
> > > > > L. James Prevo
> > > > > President
> > > > > The Prevo Network
> > > > > http://www.prevo.net
> > > > > "The Place Where We Unlock Your Doors to the Net!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Stephen Elliott Harrison & Troxell
> > > > > > Systems & Networking Manager 2 Faneuil Hall Marketplace
> > > > > > Systems & Networking Group Boston, Ma 02109
> > > > > > (617)227-0494 Phone (617)720-3918 Fax
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ----- End of forwarded message from Neil H. -----
>
>
>
>
> ______________________
> Joe DeCosta
> joe at decosta.org
> ~Off to see the wonderful wizard of Oz!~
> ~because of the wonderful things he does!~
>
>