[ppml] Policy Proposal: Removal of Ipv6 Operational Informationfrom NRPM

Hi Owen,

ARIN does have a suggestion program which allows for submittal of recomendations without using the polichy process inappropriately.

Ray

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From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:54 PM
To: Alexander, Daniel
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal: Removal of Ipv6 Operational        Informationfrom NRPM

I think that the root problem is that the RIR and ASO have policy as
their
only tool.

What I believe is needed is an additional tool.  If we add a
"recommendation"
tool, then, we have the NRPM for Policy, and the "recommendation
repository"
for recommendations.

Policy should not dictate how an ISP/LIR operates it's business.
However,
Best common practices and other recommendations could be collected
in such a "recommendations repository" as a community resource without
carrying the force or appearance of policy, thus removing the confusion.

So, perhaps what is needed is a (rather large) policy proposal that
does the following:

1.      Create the "recommendations repository" (please, come up with
        a better name for it).

2.      Remove all such recommendations from the NRPM.

3.      Add a section to the NRPM stating that non-binding recommendations
        are retained in the repository and that the NRPM is strictly for
        binding policies regarding resource allocations.

4.      Define a procedure for the updating of the "recommendations
repository",
        probably much like the IRPEP, or, extend the IRPEP to allow it to
        encompass the creation/modification of such recommendations.

5.      Whatever other steps I missed in this process.

Owen

On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Alexander, Daniel wrote:

>
> This discussion seems to play along the same lines as the policy
> proposal to remove the multiple /48 requirement. Both of these skirt
> around the extent of an RIR's control.
>
> One thought is "These statements should be removed." This is because
> ARIN should not be mandating what an ISP/LIR can allocate to it's
> users.
> Even if it wanted to, it has little ability to enforce such a
> statement,
> so why try and take this stance. Once an ISP/LIR obtains an
> allocation,
> they can allocate in whatever way they feel is necessary. ARIN's main
> recourse to enforce responsible use is the initial and subsequent
> allocation requirements. Trying to make these kinds of demands gives
> ARIN an intrusive image it can't control.
>
> The other thought is "These statements should remain." This is because
> ARIN needs some mechanism to provide direction, in response to
> organizations seeking guidance, on how to allocate responsibly, and
> what
> is expected of them.
>
> It is not an issue that the information is in there, but where in the
> NRPM it is placed. By having the statement in section 6.5.4 it leans
> towards the first approach, trying to define how an ISP/LIR should
> service it's customers.
>
> Policies should not be written to dictate how an ISP/LIR should
> conduct
> it's business, but rather how the Internet community should use
> resources in a responsible manner. I agree that the proposed
> wording in
> 6.5.4.1 should be removed. I agree that the proposed wording in
> section
> 6.5.4.2 should be removed. The problem is, in the absence of a clear
> initial and subsequent allocation requirement, ARIN would be left with
> nothing to prevent irresponsible practices.
>
> This is a very subtle difference but seems to be where many proposals
> run into issues. As a result, these statements should remain as
> guidelines, until the community is comfortable with the development of
> the surrounding IPv6 policies.
>
> My two cents,
> Dan
>
>
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> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of
> cja at daydream.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:34 PM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal: Removal of Ipv6 Operational
> Informationfrom NRPM
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to have some discussion here about this.   For the time
> being I have withdrawn this proposal.  The reason is that it seems
> that
> the information that it strikes is information that the ARIN staff
> uses
> to help guide LIRs to assign reasonable blocks to their customers.
> When
> an LIR assigns /40s to each of its customers just because, ARIN can
> point to the guidelines as to what more reasonable assignments
> are.  It
> is pretty much a given that this information needs to exist somewhere
> but it's not quite policy.  I'd like your thoughts about this.
>
> One idea is to have a document that's like the NRPM but contains
> operational guidelines for LIRs.  Maybe like an NPOG (Number Policy
> Operational Guidelines).
>
> Thanks!
> ----Cathy
>
>
> On 2/10/07, Member Services <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
>       ARIN received the following policy proposal. In accordance with
> the ARIN
>       Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process, the proposal is
> being
>       posted to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) and being
> placed on
>       ARIN's website.
>
>       The AC will review this proposal and may decide to:
>
>       1. Accept the proposal as a formal policy proposal as it is
> presented;
>
>       2. Work with the author to:
>             a) clarify the language or intent of the proposal;
>             b) divide the proposal into two (2) or more proposals; or
>             c) combine the proposal with other proposals; or,
>
>       3. Not accept the proposal as a formal policy proposal.
>
>       The AC will review this proposal at their next meeting. If the
> AC
>       accepts the proposal, then it will be posted as a formal policy
> proposal
>       to PPML and it will be presented at a Public Policy Meeting. If
> the AC
>       does not accept the proposal, then the AC will explain that
> decision;
>       and at that time the author may elect to use the petition
> process to
>       advance their proposal. If the author elects not to petition or
> the
>       petition fails, then the proposal will be closed.
>
>       The ARIN Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process can be
> found at:
>       http://www.arin.net/policy/irpep.html
>
>       Mailing list subscription information can be found at:
>       http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/index.html
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>
>       Regards,
>
>       Member Services
>       American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>       ## * ##
>
>
>       Policy Proposal Name: Removal of Ipv6 Operational Information
> from NRPM
>
>       Authors:
>       Lea Roberts
>       Cathy Aronson
>
>       Proposal Version: Version 0
>
>       Submission Date: 8 February 2007
>
>       Proposal type: Modify
>
>       Policy term: Permanent
>
>       Policy statement:
>
>       The following parts of Section 6.5.4.1 should be removed from
> the
>       Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM).
>
>       NRPM Section 6.5.4.1 states:
>
>       The following guidelines may be useful (but they are only
>       guidelines):
>
>       * /64 when it is known that one and only one subnet is needed
>
>       * /56 for small sites, those expected to need only a few subnets
>       over the next 5 years.
>
>       * /48 for larger sites
>
>       Rationale:
>
>       Discussions in recent public policy meetings, as well as in
> Advisory
>       Council meetings, have led to the consensus that operational
>       information, such as these IPv6 guidelines, should be removed
> from the
>       NRPM. This section is a clear example of text not directly
> related to
>       ARIN policy and so it is proposed that it should be removed.
>
>       Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>
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