[ppml] Policy Proposal: ISP to LIR Clarification - version 1.1

Hey Leo-  

What about 4.2 itself?  The title on that line is is "allocations to ISP's".  Or did you somehow address that in a different way?  That is why I suggested adding the change of 4.2.1.1 and not removing 4.2.  You need to change both lines.

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From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
Leo Bicknell
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:42 AM
To: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal: ISP to LIR Clarification - version
1.1



It may not be immeidately obvious, but the only change is section
number 4.2 -> 4.2.1.1, where I had made an error in writing down
the section number.

In a message written on Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 11:30:58AM -0400, Member Services wrote:
> The author submitted a revised version of their proposal.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> 
> 
> ## * ##
> 
> 
> Policy Proposal Name: ISP to LIR Clarification
> 
> Author: Leo Bicknell
> 
> Proposal Version: 1.1
> 
> Submission Date: 8/22/2007
> 
> Proposal type: modify
> 
> Policy term: permanent
> 
> Policy statement:
> 
> Replace all instances of the word "ISP" in the NRPM with the word
> "LIR" and replace all instances of the phrase "LIR/ISP" with "LIR",
> except for the following:
> 
> * Leave section 2.4 unchanged.
> * Leave section 2.7 unchanged.
> * In section 4.1.1, replace "ISPs" with "requesters".
> * In section 4.2.1.1, also remove "Internet Service Providers".
> * Leave section 6.2.4 unchanged.
> * Leave section 6.3.4 unchanged.
> * In section 6.9, replace "ISPs and LIRs" with "LIRs" for all three
> occurrence.
> 
> Rationale:
> 
> The NRPM is inconsistent.  The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably
> throughout the document, with the term ISP being predominant in the
> IPv4 sections and the term LIR being predominant in the IPv6 sections.
> 
> The use of the term ISP poses two different problems:
> 
> 1) The term has meaning outside of ARIN's policy.  Multiple discussions
>     on PPML have degenerated over people arguing what an ISP is with
>     regards to policy when the reality is that the relationship is
>     defined in the NRPM.  As LIR has no meaning outside of policy
>     this confusion will be removed.
> 
> 2) The other four RIRs have standardized on LIR.  This change will make
>     it easier for those doing business with more than one LIR to use
>     consistent terms.
> 
> This change does not alter any policy, it merely makes the policy easier
> to understand.
> 
> Timetable for implementation:  immediate
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Member Services wrote:
> > ARIN received the following policy proposal. In accordance with the ARIN
> > Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process, the proposal is being
> > posted to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) and being placed on
> > ARIN's website.
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > Regards,
> > 
> > Member Services
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> > 
> > 
> > ## * ##
> > 
> > 
> > Policy Proposal Name: ISP to LIR Clarification
> > 
> > Author: Leo Bicknell
> > 
> > Proposal Version: 1.0
> > 
> > Submission Date: 8/17/2007
> > 
> > Proposal type: modify
> > 
> > Policy term: permanent
> > 
> > Policy statement:
> > 
> > Replace all instances of the word "ISP" in the NRPM with the word "LIR"
> > and replace all instances of the phrase "LIR/ISP" with "LIR", except for
> > the following:
> > 
> > * Leave section 2.4 unchanged.
> > * Leave section 2.7 unchanged.
> > * In section 4.1.1, replace "ISPs" with "requesters".
> > * In section 4.2, also remove "Internet Service Providers".
> > * Leave section 6.2.4 unchanged.
> > * Leave section 6.3.4 unchanged.
> > * In section 6.9, replace "ISPs and LIRs" with "LIRs" for all three
> > occurrence.
> > 
> > Rationale:
> > 
> > The NRPM is inconsistent.  The terms ISP and LIR are used
> > interchangeably throughout the document, with the term ISP being
> > predominant in the IPv4 sections and the term LIR being predominant in
> > the IPv6 sections.
> > 
> > The use of the term ISP poses two different problems:
> > 
> > 1) The term has meaning outside of ARIN's policy.  Multiple discussions
> >     on PPML have degenerated over people arguing what an ISP is with
> >     regards to policy when the reality is that the relationship is
> >     defined in the NRPM.  As LIR has no meaning outside of policy
> >     this confusion will be removed.
> > 
> > 2) The other four RIRs have standardized on LIR.  This change will make
> >     it easier for those doing business with more than one LIR to use
> >     consistent terms.
> > 
> > This change does not alter any policy, it merely makes the policy easier
> > to understand.
> > 
> > Timetable for implementation:  immediate
> > 
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