IP Space

Once again, you are failing to see the shortsightedness of a policy designed
around a specific vendor, in this case it is apparent that vendor is MS for
you.  The fact that most UNIX based servers have no trouble supporting
http1.1 only shows the limitations of other vendors that do not as
effectively support http1.1.

Addititionally, the policy CLEARLY ALLOWS for EXCEPTIONS.  Why are you
afraid/unwilling to document your usage?  All you have to do is clearly
indicate what you are doing that doesn't support http1.1 and you will still
keep on burning thru the IP space, as you want.

-Clayton

-----Original Message-----
From: AveHost.com Staff [mailto:info at avehost.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:50 PM
To: Clayton Lambert
Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
Subject: RE: IP Space



You did not read my follow-up, as I stated previously, I pulled those
numbers right from Dell, so take it up with them please.  Another thing to
note is, any policy that affects the implementation or utility of a web
server as popular as IIS negatively, or for that matter, any web server
system, whether purposefully targeting it or not, is not a flexible enough
policy to be implemented, period.  Let's keep our focus here, this is what
we are talking about, forget semantics, what is important is that enough
information is gathered from the Internet community at large to determine
how a particular policy will affect that community taking into account the
environment at large.  You can't make a policy based on the assumption that
all web servers running Red Hat can manage with the new policy and forget
that there are NT, Win2k, etc other servers out there also.  Therefore, the
policy must be broad enough and flexible enough to account for these
variations in the environment of the public Internet.

Since the policy of restricting IP's for hosting has been suspended, I think
their is, thank goodness, some realization that the alternative solutions
and work-arounds for IP-based SSL, etc are not as clear-cut and broadly
applicable as once thought, as there are some of us that think Unix is a
FOUR LETTER word.

Support Staff
AveHost.com
201-840-7311

-----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Lambert [mailto:Clay at exodus.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:15 PM
To: info at avehost.com
Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
Subject: RE: IP Space


Yes, I am.  They ARE vendor specific.  I question the validity of the
numbers you indicate.   Even IF they were accurate, MicroSoft is STILL a
vendor.  Sometime policies have to be firm.  JUst because a company the size
of MicroSoft sells a LOT of widgets, doesn't mean we should change the rules
to make the implementation of the MicroSoft widget easier.


-Clayton Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AveHost.com Staff [mailto:info at avehost.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:50 PM
To: Clayton Lambert
Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
Subject: RE: IP Space



I think any policy that affects the operation of IIS, in any version, is
hardly "vendor specific" as many, many servers on the public Internet are
running IIS, in fact, 47% of the secure sites and 52% of the largest retail
sites on the Internet are running on Microsoft Windows®.   Are you going to
tell me those are "vendor specific" numbers?

AveHost.com Staff
AveHost.com, a service of RegSearch International
201-840-7311

-----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Lambert [mailto:Clay at exodus.net]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:31 PM
To: info at avehost.com; 'Susan Zeigler'
Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
Subject: RE: IP Space


I think it is erroneous to hold policies to vendor-specific limitations.
Protocol support should be the primary focus for policy.

Clayton Lambert
Exodus Communications

-----Original Message-----
From: policy-request at arin.net [mailto:policy-request at arin.net]On Behalf
Of AveHost.com Staff
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:41 PM
To: Susan Zeigler
Cc: Policy at Arin. Net
Subject: RE: IP Space



Susan:

I mean no disrespect but that is not current possible in IIS 4 or IIS 5.o.
There is no way to make an instance of a site in IIS 4 or 5 use SSL with the
same IP, IIS blocks it with an error message.  Thus, it DOES hold lots of
water!

AveHost.com Staff
AveHost.com, a service of RegSearch International
201-840-7311

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Zeigler [mailto:susan at lh.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:06 PM
To: Policy at Arin. Net
Cc: info at avehost.com; Ted Pavlic
Subject: Re: IP Space


Ah, but that argument doesn't hold much water. From what my enterprise-level
clients tell me, SSL can be configured just fine to handle multiple sites on
a
single IP. I have several that do this with great results. It is much easier
to
handle and manage too, just like host-header vs. virtual IP.

"AveHost.com Staff" wrote:

> Ted:
>
> Just keep in mind that you will still need IP's for those customers that
> want and need to use SSL, which is currently about half of our customers.
> You see, ARIN is effectively restricting ecommerce whether they realize it
> or not by limiting IP allocations for hosting.  Congratulations ARIN, the
> NEW Economy's development just might be slowed!  This almost smells like
an
> old KGB clandestine operation to stifle the West's progress!
>
> AveHost.com Staff
> AveHost.com, a service of RegSearch International
> 201-840-7311
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: policy-request at arin.net [mailto:policy-request at arin.net]On Behalf
> Of Ted Pavlic
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:43 PM
> To: policy at arin.net; RTS
> Subject: Re: IP Space
>
> http://www.arin.net/announcements/name_based_hosting.html
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> All the best --
> Ted
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RTS" <rts at rdr.net>
> To: <policy at arin.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 8:00 PM
> Subject: IP Space
>
> > I saw on Arin's page last week or so a link to both Microsoft and Apache
> > pages for help on named based virtual hosting.
> >
> > Does anyone know where that is??
> >
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >