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On Thursday, February 27, 1997 2:39 PM, Justin W. Newton[SMTP:justin at erols.com] wrote:
@ At 01:42 PM 2/27/97 -0600, Jim Fleming wrote:
@ >On Thursday, February 27, 1997 1:48 PM, Justin W.
@ Newton[SMTP:justin at erols.com] wrote:
@ >
@ >I suggest learning from the good and the bad of the InterNIC.
@ 
@ Who is opposing this?  I believe that the entire ARIN proposal is based on
@ learning from what was done properly and improperly at the internic.
@ 

Great...did you read the following...?

@@@@ http://rs.internic.net/nic-support/nicnews/feb97/registry.html

"What It Means To Be a Registry"

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@



@ >That is a business issue and people people who spend
@ >all day configuring routers may not be involved in that
@ >aspect of this industry.
@ 
@ You'd be amazed what spending a decade or so of reading the Wall Street
@ Journal will do for you :)
@ 

Yes...plus several other newspapers and TV and of course the Net...
The more people read the more they know...

Of course, the trick is to make sense of what you read
and to distill it into solutions...

@ 
@ >@ When they allocate that /8 do they get another one, or is it a once and
@ >@ done opportunity?
@ >@ 
@ >
@ >I would assume the registry would have an active reclamation
@ >and reuse program. Something the InterNIC has not yet emphasized.
@ 
@ This would be interesting.  Would you only be able to reclaim space from
@ your own /8, or from the /8's of others as well?  I.e. registries which
@ allocated IP space to stable, growing organizations would be out of
@ business aside from recurring fees, while those who are allocating to some
@ of the more fly by night businesses will be able to recycle their space
@ more frequently.
@ 

Think of it as an apartment building...you lease the apartments
in your building...

@ >
@ >Beyond that, there are only so many /8 spaces in IPv4.
@ 
@ Agreed, who is going to reclaim space from registries who are not
@ allocating it properly or who are hoarding it to create a shortage?
@ 

You manage your own space...let others worry about theirs...

@ >You do not need 49 day one...some states will be fast and some slower.
@ >California, Illinois, Washington, Michigan are ready to roll NOW...!!!
@ >Others will follow...
@ 
@ I don't seem to remember people from those states who are interested in
@ running a registry who /have/ been involved in the IETF working groups
@ which are trying to find solutions to IP based problems.  I must have
@ missed someone.  I'll go back over my NANOG and IETF attendee lists and see
@ if I can find them on there somewhere.
@ 

You may have missed the IEEE, ACM, CIX, ISP/C, AlterNIC, Root64, eDNS,
ACLU, EFF, NSF, DOD, FNC, NRA, ANSI, ISO, WIPO, ITU, INTA, and the BSA...:-)

just to name a few of course...

@ >@ >6. These 50 InterNICs then help to coordinate a world collection
@ >@ >	of Root Name Server confederations to provide world-wide
@ >@ >	stability to the entire Internet.
@ >@ 
@ >@ Who coordinates this coordination?  If these registries are competing, what
@ >@ incentive do they have to spend their time working together?  We can go on
@ >@ and on.
@ >@ 
@ >
@ >I have posted many notes on the "Round Table" approach.
@ 
@ What is going to be the incentive for the people running these registries
@ to sit down at the round table and be cooperative?  I suppose one way we
@ could do so is to have the people running the registries be the same people
@ who are already sitting down at these types of round tables, but one might
@ say that then they were being kept from forming a registry and that the old
@ school is suppressing competition, etc etc.  (I know, its hard to believe
@ that his might happen, but there are actually people out there who might
@ profess something like this).
@ 

The same thing that makes people in countries that
share common borders to cooperate, the same thing
that makes people in different organizations cooperate,
the same thing that makes people of different races
cooperate...

survival and a desire to get along...

Plus, it is more fun to communicate with people that
have diverse interests. Organizations which recruit
only people with pocket protectors get a little dull...

@ 
@ >Yes, you can go on and on...I am not sure who "we" is...
@ 
@ Sorry, I use the term we very generically and often.  Usually I don't have
@ a specific group in mind when I do use it.  Apologies for the vagueries.
@ 

Again, I would be interested in your views on
whether ARIN could perform the IS InterNIC
role for the State of Virginia...

I think that DS and RS are covered...
--
Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation

e-mail:
JimFleming at unety.net
JimFleming at unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)