LET'S JUST GO AROUND IN C

PF>ARIN cannot look into a crystal ball & predict whether a given prefix
PF>is routable in the Internet, and frankly, should *not* be in the
PF>business of predictions. This is simply not practical, and attempting
PF>to assume that one could actually do this is not in touch with
PF>reality.

PF>>ARIN, by virtue of its granting authority, could, if it chose to do
PF>so, >impose a condition upon all grantees that they avoid arbitrary
PF>or >capricious treatment of other grantees.  [Kim just sent a note
PF>indicating >that, at least at the outset, ARIN would not be imposing
PF>such a >condition.]
PF>>

PF>This is, in my humble opinion, common sense, as well as conventional
PF>wisdom.

PF>>It's kinda fun listening to the ISP voices saying "we wanna be
PF>>independent, we wanna be the final authority, we wanna make our own
PF>>choices without regard for anyone else."
PF>>

PF>ISP's can already do this; if they can justify PI address space, they
PF>can decide to go to the InterNIC to obtain it. Once again, the fact
PF>that it may or may not be routable is an orthogonal issue. Under the
PF>ARIN proposal, the only functional difference is now they will pay
PF>for the services rendered by ARIN in obtaining address space directly
PF>from ARIN.


Which brings us back to the whole purpose/benefit of this proposal.  Why 
should they be forced to pay for something they don't have to pay for 
today, only to have no/limited perceived benefit ?  This whole thing 
reminds me of the government trying to levy taxes.  I've watched much of 
the discussion going on here and many of the supporters tend not to be 
ISPs or folks who would be directly finacnially impacted by this 
proposal.  From my unofficial counting the supporters tend to be:  NSI, 
hardware vendors, academic affiliated individuals and a few other 
interested parties.  The opposition/concered parties tend mostly to be 
the ISPs and network providers.  This is akin to the "not in my 
backyard" syndrome of where to build prisons and the like.  We all agree 
they are needed but don't build them next to where I live.  With ARIN is 
seems we agree there needs to be some control over address space (albeit 
we would probably disagree on how much control and what the real purpose 
of the control was for) but the supports are saying make the ISPs pay 
for it, while the ISPs are saying wait a minute.  They weren't even the 
ones asking for it from what I can see.  Paul's point is there will even 
be limietd benefit for them, even if they go along with it.  So why 
should they start coughing up money for something which has this little 
potential for them ?

Jeff Binkley
ASA Network Computing

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