From whoisproxy at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 21:27:38 2004
From: whoisproxy at yahoo.com (WP (John))
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:27:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [dbwg] whois referral to RIPE
Message-ID: <20040302022738.69131.qmail@web12310.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear ARIN / dbwg,

ARIN has recently altered the way it refers queries to
RIPE, and has ceased putting "whois.ripe.net" in a
comment when queried for a RIPE IP number. ARIN now
gives ONLY the URL http://www.ripe.net/whois (in a
comment). Why has the pointer to the port 43 whois
been removed?

For APNIC, ARIN's comment contains:

 Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois
Database via
 Comment:    WHOIS.APNIC.NET or
http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl

For LACNIC:

 Comment: Please see http://www.lacnic.net/ for
further details,
 Comment: or check the WHOIS server located at
whois.lacnic.net

For RIPE:

 Comment: These addresses have been further assigned
to users in
 Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can
be found
 Comment: in the RIPE database at
http://www.ripe.net/whois

My question is then, why does ARIN now behave
differently for RIPE ?
Why is there no longer any mention of whois.ripe.net ?

Note further that CRSNic.net has a field in their
output that looks
like:
   Whois Server: whois.[someserver].com
which a program can detect, and direct itself to. Why
don't the RIRs
do the same?

I would suggest that ARIN should provide an
easy-to-detect "Whois Server" field, or at the very
least, a consistent reference to to the appropriate
RIR's whois, including RIPE in its "Comment" fields.

thank you,



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From william at elan.net  Mon Mar  1 22:51:17 2004
From: william at elan.net (william(at)elan.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:51:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [dbwg] whois referral to RIPE
In-Reply-To: <20040302022738.69131.qmail@web12310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403011941500.5654-100000@sokol.elan.net>


The better question is why did ARIN stop showing
 ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43/

As I have already noted many times ReferralServer should be field used for 
standard reference to external whois services (whois, rwhois, future crisp)
so that when software being used supports such protocol and such reference,
it can follow the referral  And comments should be used as guide for users
that do not have this software and that will most likely see the information
from the webbrowser - and in that case ARIN putting reference in comments 
to http://www.ripe.net/whois is quite appropriate.

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, WP (John) wrote:

> Dear ARIN / dbwg,
> 
> ARIN has recently altered the way it refers queries to
> RIPE, and has ceased putting "whois.ripe.net" in a
> comment when queried for a RIPE IP number. ARIN now
> gives ONLY the URL http://www.ripe.net/whois (in a
> comment). Why has the pointer to the port 43 whois
> been removed?
> 
> For APNIC, ARIN's comment contains:
> 
>  Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois
> Database via
>  Comment:    WHOIS.APNIC.NET or
> http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl
> 
> For LACNIC:
> 
>  Comment: Please see http://www.lacnic.net/ for
> further details,
>  Comment: or check the WHOIS server located at
> whois.lacnic.net
> 
> For RIPE:
> 
>  Comment: These addresses have been further assigned
> to users in
>  Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can
> be found
>  Comment: in the RIPE database at
> http://www.ripe.net/whois
> 
> My question is then, why does ARIN now behave
> differently for RIPE ?
> Why is there no longer any mention of whois.ripe.net ?
> 
> Note further that CRSNic.net has a field in their
> output that looks
> like:
>    Whois Server: whois.[someserver].com
> which a program can detect, and direct itself to. Why
> don't the RIRs
> do the same?
> 
> I would suggest that ARIN should provide an
> easy-to-detect "Whois Server" field, or at the very
> least, a consistent reference to to the appropriate
> RIR's whois, including RIPE in its "Comment" fields.
> 
> thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> John Bro <whoisproxy at yahoo.com>
> http://wp-whois-proxy.sourceforge.net/
> 
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From cathym at arin.net  Mon Mar  1 22:02:03 2004
From: cathym at arin.net (Cathy Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:02:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dbwg] whois referral to RIPE
In-Reply-To: <20040302022738.69131.qmail@web12310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403012156530.12246-100000@ops.arin.net>


Hello John,

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, WP (John) wrote:

> Dear ARIN / dbwg,
>
> ARIN has recently altered the way it refers queries to
> RIPE, and has ceased putting "whois.ripe.net" in a
> comment when queried for a RIPE IP number. ARIN now
> gives ONLY the URL http://www.ripe.net/whois (in a
> comment). Why has the pointer to the port 43 whois
> been removed?

Thanks for pointing this out. It turns out that the referral records
for RIPE, APNIC and LACNIC were all inadvertantly removed on Feb 28.
They have been readded and should begin appearing in ARIN's Whois
again within 24 hours.

I apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused.

Regards,

Cathy Murphy
ARIN

> For APNIC, ARIN's comment contains:
>
>  Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois
> Database via
>  Comment:    WHOIS.APNIC.NET or
> http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl
>
> For LACNIC:
>
>  Comment: Please see http://www.lacnic.net/ for
> further details,
>  Comment: or check the WHOIS server located at
> whois.lacnic.net
>
> For RIPE:
>
>  Comment: These addresses have been further assigned
> to users in
>  Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can
> be found
>  Comment: in the RIPE database at
> http://www.ripe.net/whois
>
> My question is then, why does ARIN now behave
> differently for RIPE ?
> Why is there no longer any mention of whois.ripe.net ?
>
> Note further that CRSNic.net has a field in their
> output that looks
> like:
>    Whois Server: whois.[someserver].com
> which a program can detect, and direct itself to. Why
> don't the RIRs
> do the same?
>
> I would suggest that ARIN should provide an
> easy-to-detect "Whois Server" field, or at the very
> least, a consistent reference to to the appropriate
> RIR's whois, including RIPE in its "Comment" fields.
>
> thank you,
>
>
>
> =====
> John Bro <whoisproxy at yahoo.com>
> http://wp-whois-proxy.sourceforge.net/
>
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From cathym at arin.net  Mon Mar  1 22:04:19 2004
From: cathym at arin.net (Cathy Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:04:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dbwg] whois referral to RIPE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403011941500.5654-100000@sokol.elan.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403012202161.12246-100000@ops.arin.net>


Hello William,

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote:

> The better question is why did ARIN stop showing
>  ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43/

Unless I misunderstood John, I think that is the point he was
making. As I indicated in my response to him, the referrals stopped
showing because they were inadvertantly deleted. They will be
available again shortly.

Regards,

Cathy Murphy
ARIN

> As I have already noted many times ReferralServer should be field used for
> standard reference to external whois services (whois, rwhois, future crisp)
> so that when software being used supports such protocol and such reference,
> it can follow the referral  And comments should be used as guide for users
> that do not have this software and that will most likely see the information
> from the webbrowser - and in that case ARIN putting reference in comments
> to http://www.ripe.net/whois is quite appropriate.
>
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, WP (John) wrote:
>
> > Dear ARIN / dbwg,
> >
> > ARIN has recently altered the way it refers queries to
> > RIPE, and has ceased putting "whois.ripe.net" in a
> > comment when queried for a RIPE IP number. ARIN now
> > gives ONLY the URL http://www.ripe.net/whois (in a
> > comment). Why has the pointer to the port 43 whois
> > been removed?
> >
> > For APNIC, ARIN's comment contains:
> >
> >  Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois
> > Database via
> >  Comment:    WHOIS.APNIC.NET or
> > http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl
> >
> > For LACNIC:
> >
> >  Comment: Please see http://www.lacnic.net/ for
> > further details,
> >  Comment: or check the WHOIS server located at
> > whois.lacnic.net
> >
> > For RIPE:
> >
> >  Comment: These addresses have been further assigned
> > to users in
> >  Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can
> > be found
> >  Comment: in the RIPE database at
> > http://www.ripe.net/whois
> >
> > My question is then, why does ARIN now behave
> > differently for RIPE ?
> > Why is there no longer any mention of whois.ripe.net ?
> >
> > Note further that CRSNic.net has a field in their
> > output that looks
> > like:
> >    Whois Server: whois.[someserver].com
> > which a program can detect, and direct itself to. Why
> > don't the RIRs
> > do the same?
> >
> > I would suggest that ARIN should provide an
> > easy-to-detect "Whois Server" field, or at the very
> > least, a consistent reference to to the appropriate
> > RIR's whois, including RIPE in its "Comment" fields.
> >
> > thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > John Bro <whoisproxy at yahoo.com>
> > http://wp-whois-proxy.sourceforge.net/
> >
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