[dbwg] Displaying Rwhois information as separate field in whois output
william@elan.net
william at elan.net
Wed Mar 5 10:55:50 EST 2003
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As some of you know ARIN setup "rwhois design group" in January to find ways to improve ISP-maintained reassigments which is currently done through rwhois. About 10 persons participated in that and problems and possible solutions were discussed. While no agreement on futher actions was reached, it did provide some important feedback to ARIN on what they could do and yesterday I was asked to write down futher on idea I had and ARIN has reported that it would not be too difficult to do (can be done in 60-90 days). I do want to mention thogh that while there were disagreements on several issues, there was also clear agreement on one particular issue - this is to FIX RWHOIS ROOT SERVER. While its not the kind of issue that can be put in the proposal, I'm hoping that since ARIN staff has listened to what has been discussed, they understand that this is something that everybody thinks must be done to improve rwhois. Now my original idea was as follows: > 4. Convert current comments into special reassigment contact and make it > easy for automated software to determine where to get rwhois information > as well as provide clear text indicating that reassigment info is coming > out of database not maintained by ARIN There are several ways to do it with various degree of complexity. One would be to simply add a "reassignment" field into either NETWORK or ORG and make modifications to ARIN whois server so it is displaying it as separate note regarding reassignments. I believe if its done this way, we may need to make an exception and allow "TECH" contact to be responsible for maintaining this particular field (especially for ORG). There is also somewhat of a problem as I see it that there is no way to do special reassignment-only comments (but we could add additional "reassignment comment" field as well) and these I think are important in many cases for example to advertise about custom schema or to tell non-technical viewers of whois how to find reassignment contact through web interface (in reality > 50% of those accessing ARIN data have no idea what rwhois is!). Another way is to do it as actual contact, which may require a little more time for ARIN to do and in the beginning (on actual conversion) may end up with multiple reassignment contacts in place where should have been only one (for networks that have many ip blocks with rwhois server reference) but hopefully this would be fixed by the ISP itself and extra contacts removed. For this option I actually create a proposal which is located at: http://www.elan.net/~william/arin_proposal_rwhois_contact.htm Except for part#6, this is mostly database-related and thus non-policy issue and does not necessarily need to be in a proposal (and for #6 somebody else may already be working on a similar proposal). So if you are an ISP that maintains rwhois, please think about what you think would be best way to do it (as listed above) and post your comments to this list or otherwise be ready to have it discussed on Memphis meeting. Below follows my actual proposal from url above in text format, it is more complicated that what ARIN itself would like to do, but I personally think this is better. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reassignment (Rwhois) Whois Contact Proposal This proposal is trying to better address an issue with ISP-maintained reassignment information (rwhois servers). Currently information on rwhois is displayed as comments in the whois and there are no standards on how these comments are entered which makes it difficult to futher parse the information. In addition it is often important to know who to contact regarding technical issues with ISP-maintained rwhois server and such information is difficult to obtain. There also no procedure that would allow for rwhois maintainer to modify information on rwhois and it can only be done through ISP main administrative contact which is sometimes an issue for large ISP with many ip blocks. So to address the above it is proposed that: 1. ARIN establish new "reassignment" contact. This contact should include same fields as other ARIN whois contacts and should be the contact of the person or technical group at the ISP that is responsible for maintaining rwhois server is other similar reassignment server. 2. In addition to standard whois fields, new contact should include additional special reassignment field which should provide URN to the server that provides futher reassignment information. An example of this would be: rwhois://rwhois.someisp.net:4321 3. Whois should display a note when reassignment contact is present that makes it clear that reassignment information is maintained by the ISP and can be found through its listed rwhois server or similar service. 4. ISP may also use optional comments fields to provide additional information such as information on additional features of its reassignment server or pointer to schema used. It is recommended that comments at least include URL with link to website which can provide reassignment information so that it can be used by those who do not have direct access to rwhois or other appropriate reassignment client program. 5. ARIN should attempt to convert all current rwhois comments into new reassignment contact. In this effort ARIN should contact all ISPs that have listed rwhois or other reassignment server in comments and try to obtain information on who is the correct contact responsible for maintaining such server. If ARIN is unable to get the exact information from the ISP, ARIN may substitute information from current technical or administrative contact when creating new reassignment contact. 6. In the future when ARIN receives reports of reassignment server not answering to queries, ARIN may do its own tests for at least a month with at least 10 non-sequential queries and if there higher then 75% failure rate, ARIN should attempt to contact person or group as listed in the reassignment contact (first by email and then by phone) and if no response is received, ARIN should attempt to contact technical contact listed for the ip block to try to find resolution to the problem. If ARIN is unable to make proper contact with ISP or find resolution to a problem, ARIN may add a comment to reassignment contact indicating that listed reassignment server is "lame" similar to the way this is done for lame DNS servers.
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