Request for CLEW Input

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

>Have you ever been a "customer" of ARIN ?

I'm unclear for whom this question is intended, or what you mean by "customer."

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>Jim Fleming
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: clew-request at arin.net [mailto:clew-request at arin.net]On Behalf Of
>Richard Jimmerson
>Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:59 AM
>To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; clew at arin.net
>Subject: RE: Request for CLEW Input
>
>
>Hello Howard,
>
>>  In one of my presentations to NANOG last week, the vast majority of
>>  questions related to obtaining and justifying address space. In
>>  particular, North American ISPs complained about how their requests
>>  for their customers to justify assignments and usage were resented,
>
>One of our duties as a RIR is to ensure the IP address space we
>allocate is justified and that it is efficiently utilized.  This
>is the practice of all three RIRs.
>
>>  and how competitors' sales people often used that as a wedge "we'll
>>  give you a /24, or whatever, if you change your service to us.  We
>>  won't hassle you with all the paperwork the incumbent is demanding."
>
>ARIN has no control over the tactics that may be used by the sales
>forces of some ISPs, but we do ensure requests submitted to ARIN for
>IP address space are all reviewed in an equal manner.  If an ISP has
>deployed a sales tactic like this it should show up during their
>review for additional IP address space from ARIN.
>
>>  This seems to be far less of a problem in Europe, and I'm beginning
>>  to think the RIPE NCC model of LIR's (as distinct from generic
>>  members) is part of the solution.  A LIR can present itself as a
>>  steward of address space, much as a CPA or physician is expected to
>>  exercise independent professional integrity.
>
>I believe there is no difference between an ISP who is a member
>in the ARIN region and a LIR in the RIPE NCC who is a member in
>regard to stewardship of IP address space.
>
>-Richard Jimmerson
>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: clew-request at arin.net [mailto:clew-request at arin.net]On Behalf Of
>>  Howard C. Berkowitz
>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:26 AM
>>  To: clew at arin.net
>>  Subject: Re: Request for CLEW Input
>>
>>
>>  In one of my presentations to NANOG last week, the vast majority of
>>  questions related to obtaining and justifying address space. In
>>  particular, North American ISPs complained about how their requests
>>  for their customers to justify assignments and usage were resented,
>>  and how competitors' sales people often used that as a wedge "we'll
>>  give you a /24, or whatever, if you change your service to us.  We
>>  won't hassle you with all the paperwork the incumbent is demanding."
>>
>>  This seems to be far less of a problem in Europe, and I'm beginning
>>  to think the RIPE NCC model of LIR's (as distinct from generic
>>  members) is part of the solution.  A LIR can present itself as a
>>  steward of address space, much as a CPA or physician is expected to
>>  exercise independent professional integrity.
>>
>>  Frankly, I'm becoming less and less clear why someone becomes an ARIN
>>  member other than generically supporting part of the Internet
>>  structure. There's much more justification to become a RIPE LIR.
>>
>>
>>  >  > Member Services is discussing what kind of increased
>>  benefits ARIN can
>>  >>  offer its Members. One consideration is the reinstatement of a
>>  >>  Members-only website for providing news, training and
>>  other items of
>>  >>  interest to the Members.
>>  >>
>>  >>  What content would you like to see on this site?  Be
>>  specific please.  Are
>>  >>  there items you would take off the public site and make
>>  available for use
>>  >>  only by Members? A dynamic website could be useful not
>>  only to current
>>  >>  Members, but also for bringing new entities into ARIN's
>>  membership.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Please consider this matter and send suggestions to the
>>  CLEW list in
>>  >>  preparation for the upcoming Members Meeting.
>  > >>
>>  >Regards,
>>  >
>>  >Barry Skeenes
>>  >Technical Writer
>>  >AMERICAN REGISTRY FOR INTERNET NUMBERS
>>  >bskeenes at arin.net
>>  >703-227-9854