[arin-ppml] Feedback on ARIN 53 question on micro-allocations for IXPs

[Fernando Frediani]

It seems you kind of disregards the basics of IP assignment and mix up 
things and what they were made for and thought for. It is not because 
something looks convenient, that is something right. When conveniences 
prevail over the main point we start to miss the discussion propose. 
What you are saying below looks more a personal preference if you were 
in charge of an IX to make it develop than what is the main point of the 
discussion how resources from a special pool should be treated.
IXPs are not Broadband Services Providers nor RIRs and are not meant to 
distribute IP space to anyone. IXPs need the IPs to build its core 
services in order to interconnect ASNs locally. Organizations connecting 
to an IXP have the ability to go directly to the RIR and get resources 
from there through different ways and that's how it should continue.

Fernando

On 22/04/2024 00:06, Owen DeLong wrote:
> A small probability of abuse is generally not seen as a reason to deny 
> legitimate users.
>
> I think we can generally count on IXPs not to distribute large 
> portions of their resources to cache providers that do not bring 
> significant value to the users of the IX with those resources. To the 
> best of my knowledge, there is no problem of abuse to date. As such, I 
> think your concern here has about as much credibility as those crying 
> about election fraud in the US.
>
> Owen
>
>
>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 22:31, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> By doing this it creates a short path to some specific type of 
>> Internet companies over the others to have access to scarce resources 
>> via someone else's right (the IX) to request those addresses for the 
>> minimum necessary to setup an IX, not to 'give a hand' to third 
>> parties. It would start to distort the purpose of the pool.
>>
>> Content providers members are members like any other connected to 
>> that IX. Why make them special to use these resources if other 
>> members (e.g: Broadband Internet Service Providers) connected to that 
>> same IX cannot have the same privilege ?
>> They and any other IX member, regardless of their business, can get 
>> their own allocations with their own resources.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 19/04/2024 02:13, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> I think that if it’s a cache that is serving the IX (i.e. the IX 
>>> member networks) over the IX peering VLAN, that’s perfectly valid.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 20:35, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 18/04/2024 21:34, Matt Peterson wrote:
>>>>> <clip>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the policy needs revision /(John's comments did not provide 
>>>>> enough of a background story - it's unclear if this a yet another 
>>>>> IPv4 land grab approach, and/or IXP's evolving into hosting 
>>>>> content caches, and/or the historical industry acceptable usage 
>>>>> that Ryan shares), /maybe consider micro-allocations for IXP usage 
>>>>> as unannounced prefixes and for routed prefixes, an IXP applies 
>>>>> under NRPM 4.3 /(end user assignments).
>>>>> /
>>>>
>>>> I have a similar conversation recently with someone willing to use 
>>>> IXP allocations to assign to content caches and on this point I 
>>>> think that IXP pool should not be for that. Even knowing the 
>>>> positive impact a hosted content directly connected to a IXP makes 
>>>> it is their business to being their own IP address not the IXP and 
>>>> to be fair if you think of any CDN service they all have total 
>>>> means to do that. Therefore IXP allocations should be used for IXP 
>>>> own usage, so internal Infrastructure and to connect members and 
>>>> things should not be mixed up.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --Matt
>>>>>
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