[arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

Fri Jul 13 09:26:03 EDT 2018

I think the example, (2014, DE shell, owned by proscribed parties, gets
stewardship of resources, ARIN <should> due diligence on beneficial
owners)  has ARIN over-reaching the State of Delaware and the
IRS/Treasury.   If a legal entity passes documentation muster (as JC
pointed out) then ARIN is obliged/compelled to follow its policies.  In the
case of suspect behaviours, DE can cancel the corporate registration and
the IRS/Treas can sequester assets & block transactions.  I believe a court
could instruct ARIN to recover or assign resources.   ARIN <IMnsHO> should
stick to its knitting.  ARIN <currently> has no business in maintaing a DNA
registry of all natural persons who may have been associated in a
transaction with ARIN over resource assignments and use that registry in
cooperation with global LEA to catch perps.
I hope ARIN never goes there.

/Wm

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:31 AM, Roberts, Orin <oroberts at bell.ca> wrote:

> I am assuming Ronald is aware of this.
>
> https://www.arin.net/knowledge/rirs/ARINcountries.html
>
> ARIN's geographical service area includes all of the countries in the list
> below.
> Complete List of Countries in the ARIN Region
> Canada Sector   A 2     A 3     Region
> CANADA  CA      CAN     ARIN
> Caribbean and North Atlantic Islands Sector     A 2     A 3     Region
> ANGUILLA        AI      AIA     ARIN
> ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA     AG      ATG     ARIN
> BAHAMAS BS      BHS     ARIN
> BARBADOS        BB      BRB     ARIN
> BERMUDA BM      BMU     ARIN
> CAYMAN ISLANDS  KY      CYM     ARIN
> DOMINICA        DM      DMA     ARIN
> GRENADA GD      GRD     ARIN
> GUADELOUPE      GP      GLP     ARIN
> JAMAICA JM      JAM     ARIN
> MARTINIQUE      MQ      MTQ     ARIN
> MONTSERRAT      MS      MSR     ARIN
> SAINT BARTHELEMY        BL      BLM     ARIN
> SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS   KN      KNA     ARIN
> SAINT LUCIA     LC      LCA     ARIN
> ST. PIERRE AND MIQUELON PM      SPM     ARIN
> SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES        VC      VCT     ARIN
> ST. MARTIN      MF      MAF     ARIN
> TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS        TC      TCA     ARIN
> VIRGIN ISLANDS (BRITISH)        VG      VGB     ARIN
> United States Sector    A 2     A 3     Region
> UNITED STATES   US      USA     ARIN
> PUERTO RICO
> PR      PRI     ARIN
> VIRGIN ISLANDS (U.S.)
> VI      VIR     ARIN
> UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
> UM      UMI     ARIN
> Outlying Areas Sector   A 2     A 3     Region
> ANTARCTICA      AQ      ATA     ARIN
> BOUVET ISLAND   BV      BVT     ARIN
> HEARD AND MC DONALD ISLANDS     HM      HMD     ARIN
> ST. HELENA      SH      SHN     ARIN
>
>
>
>
>
> Orin Roberts
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare
> Sent: July-13-18 7:50 AM
> To: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>; ARIN-PPML List <
> arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners
>
> Ronald,
>
> In answer to your question
>
>     I would like to know if there is, or would be,
>     general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for
>     concrete documentation of the identities of the beneficial
>     owners (say, for 25% ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded
>     corporate entities to which ARIN assigns number resources.
>
> I don't know about general hostility, but I personally am hostile to this
> notion.
>
> I have a couple of reasons:
>
> 1. As a small company, we have better things to do than provide more
> documentation.
> 2. This looks a lot like a search for a problem in hopes of suggesting
> that the problem exists rather than a response to a real problem.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ronald
> F. Guilmette
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:36 PM
> To: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners
>
>
> In message <CAC4yj2X+hS4rjyCHiLagk9AQVWa3ZFYvs_
> 0O2gE12YVXO2genA at mail.gmail.com>
> Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
>
> >I know neither of these directly answer your question.
>
> Well, in a word, no.  but I appreciate your response as it does shed a bit
> more light on this overall topic.
>
> Of course, I have no real idea what the exact meaning of this phrase is:
> "provided that the applicant has a real and substantial connection with
> the ARIN region".  But that's OK, because I don't imagine that anybody else
> has either, and I intuit that this exact squishy phraseology was made a
> part of ARIN-2015-5 rather deliberately, to insure general acceptance of
> the larger proposal.
>
> To return to my original point however, I would like to know if there is,
> or would be, general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for concrete
> documentation of the identities of the beneficial owners (say, for 25%
> ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded corporate entities to which ARIN
> assigns number resources.
>
> As should be evident, in the current era, and given the various
> shenanigans, political and otherwise, that have dogged the Internet
> generally in recent years, I personally am of the opinion that additional
> transparency is not only warranted but necessary, even if for no other
> reason than to fully comply with both the letter and the spirit of existing
> law and various international sanction regimes.
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