[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6 - updated 2017-07-21
hostmaster at uneedus.com
hostmaster at uneedus.com
Sun Jul 23 16:48:43 EDT 2017
I simply added the next number in the section labeled "definitions". You
are right that it best fits into 2.5. In that case maybe 2.5's title
should be changed to "Allocate, Assign and Reassignment" and the
definition be added after Allocate and Assign.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, David Farmer wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 1:23 PM, <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
>
>> Boy, am I learning from this process. Please let me know if I am not
>> defining these terms we are discussing below properly:
>>
>
> Not quite: see NRPM section 2.5;
>
> 2.5. Allocate and Assign
>
> A distinction is made between address allocation and address assignment,
> i.e., ISPs are "allocated" address space as described herein, while
> end-users are "assigned" address space.
>
> Allocate - To allocate means to distribute address space to IRs for the
> purpose of subsequent distribution by them.
>
> Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to an ISP or end-user,
> for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate.
> Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented by specific
> organizations and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.
>
> And re-[allocate or assign] means an ISP is doing it not ARIN.
>
>
> Ok, now that I have the terms out of the way, lets talk.
>>
>> There seems to be a current disconnect identified in the policy between
>> Re-allocation and assignment because the term "Reassignment" in 6.5.5 is
>> not defined.
>>
>> Many have identified that the minimum unit of assignment should be a /48
>> and ARIN policy should not change this fact by putting policies in place
>> that would make it more likely that assignments of less than /48 will be
>> made by ISPs/LIRs. Therefore I propose the following amendments to the
>> draft to address the issues that have been identified:
>>
>> Add new section 2.17 as follows:
>>
>> 2.17 Reassignment
>>
>> The term shall mean all cases where an Internet Registry, as defined in
>> section 2.1 assigns or Re-allocates a portion of the addresses received
>> from ARIN or another Internet Registry, for the use by end users or another
>> Internet Registry. This term shall include within it the terms assignment
>> and Re-allocation.
>>
>
> I might suggest this get added to section 2.5 or at least you reference the
> definitions in that section.
>
> I'll digest the rest of this later;
>
> Amend 6.5.5.1 as follows:
>>
>> Change "Each static IPv6 assignment" to "Each static IPv6 reassignment".
>>
>> Change the word "sub-delegation" to "reassignment".
>>
>>
>> Now some examples of how this draft policy will work with different size
>> IPv6 blocks with the current global routing rules:
>>
>> For sites with exactly /48, there will be two classes of sites:
>>
>> 1) Those sites with a /48 assigned to them, and using the same routing as
>> the parent block (Allocation or Re-allocation) above them.
>>
>> 2) Those sites with a /48 assigned to them, where the entity with the /48
>> has made arrangements to have their /48 assignment routed differently than
>> the parent block (Allocation or Re-allocation) above them.
>>
>> It is the intent of the language proposed to require 2) above to be
>> registered in SWIP (since they have different routing), and to exempt 1)
>> above from the SWIP requirement, as they are using the standard routing of
>> their parent block, and for the most part will be normal sites that use
>> just a single IPv4 address which no SWIP requirement exists, and a single
>> /48 assigned to them for their site which has been identified as the best
>> practice for all sites.
>>
>> I think this is the confusing part of the language, since a /48 can go
>> either way, SWIP or no SWIP depending on independent routing, while
>> anything larger is ALWAYS SWIP'ed and and everything smaller would under
>> current best practices would never require SWIP.
>>
>> Under the draft, For any reassignment with a /47 or More of addresses, ALL
>> will require SWIP. This should cover ALL Re-allocation cases, as the
>> reallocated block received must for technical reasons be large enough for
>> the reallocator to have 1 or more /48's to assign to the customers below
>> them.
>>
>> Under the draft, For any site of any size, if the GRT policy is ever
>> changed from a /48, all such sites smaller than the new limit that has
>> independent routing MUST be registered in SWIP. The policy intent expressed
>> is SWIP registration of all independently routed blocks, not a specific
>> block size, since routing is not an ARIN decision. Since current best
>> practice does not allow independent routing of less than a /48, all sites
>> regardless of any attempts of independent routing that are smaller than /48
>> actually are not independently routed since those routes will not appear in
>> the GRT, and thus are exempt from SWIP. This level of /48 could change in
>> the future via processes outside of the control of ARIN.
>>
>> Albert Erdmann
>> Network Administrator
>> Paradise On Line Inc.
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2017, David Farmer wrote:
>>
>> The rewrite is a pretty good step forward, and I support this policy as
>>> written, but I also would like to see some additional changes.
>>>
>>> The following is a summary of what I would like to see the overall policy
>>> look like, it is not in policy language but provided as list of
>>> requirement, with some additional notes, then I note what I think is
>>> missing from the current proposed policy text;
>>>
>>> Reallocations:
>>> - All reallocations* MUST have a SWIP provided regardless of size.
>>>
>>> Reassignments:
>>> - For prefixes shorter than /48 a SWIP MUST be provided.
>>> - For prefixes at /48 or longer a SWIP is provided at the discretion** of
>>> the ISP, except;
>>> - If requested by the end-user, then a SWIP MUST be provided, or;
>>> - If intended to appear in global routing table, then a SWIP SHOULD*** be
>>> provided.
>>>
>>> * Reallocations are made to other ISPs which then can make reassignments,
>>> for IPv6 it is RECOMMENDED that all ISPs obtain an allocation directly
>>> from
>>> ARIN, however reallocations are still permitted. Further, reallocations
>>> for
>>> prefixes /48 or longer are NOT RECOMMENDED. SWIPs for reallocations need
>>> to be required because the abuse and other POC for the down stream ISP
>>> need
>>> to be know.
>>>
>>> ** There should be some guidance (NOT policy enforced by ARIN) to ISPs
>>> making reassignments at /48 or longer: SWIPs for business customers,
>>> especially those with information technology(IT) operations sophisticated
>>> enough to handle their own abuse and/or technical incidents, are of
>>> interest to the community. SWIPs for residential customers (individual
>>> persons) are NOT normally of interest to the community.
>>>
>>> *** This might be more appropriate as MUST, however as ARIN does not
>>> define
>>> routing policy, therefore SHOULD seems more appropriate.
>>>
>>> So, I think the following is missing from the current proposed policy
>>> text;
>>>
>>> 1. Any mention of reallocations, but this wasn't in the original policy
>>> either
>>> 2. A requirement that SWIP is provided if requested by end-user
>>> 3. Guidance for SWIPs for /48 or longer, while these SWIPs aren't
>>> required,
>>> some guidance still might be useful.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy Friday, everybody.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As promised, here is the latest rewrite of the draft policy below, and
>>>> it
>>>> will soon be updated at:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_5.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are two changes noted in the policy statement: the first of which
>>>> reflects what seems to be the current
>>>>
>>>> consensus of the PPML regarding netblock sizing; the second is to strike
>>>> language that may be read as either restrictive
>>>>
>>>> or non-operational.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Problem Statement:
>>>>
>>>> Current ARIN policy has different WHOIS directory registration
>>>> requirements for IPv4 vs IPv6 address assignments.
>>>>
>>>> IPv4 registration is triggered for an assignment of any address
>>>> block equal to or greater than a /29 (i.e., eight IPv4 addresses).
>>>>
>>>> In the case of IPv6, registration occurs for an assignment of any
>>>> block equal to or greater than a /64, which constitutes one entire IPv6
>>>> subnet and is the minimum block size for an allocation.
>>>>
>>>> Accordingly, there is a significant disparity between IPv4 and
>>>> IPv6
>>>> WHOIS registration thresholds in the case of assignments, resulting in
>>>> more
>>>> work in the case of IPv6 than is the case for IPv4.
>>>>
>>>> There is no technical or policy rationale for the disparity, which
>>>> could serve as a deterrent to more rapid IPv6 adoption.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of this proposal is to eliminate the disparity and
>>>> corresponding adverse consequences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Policy statement:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Alter section 6.5.5.1 "Reassignment information" of the NRPM to
>>>> strike "/64 or more addresses" and change to "/47 or more addresses, or
>>>> sub-delegation of any size that will be individually announced,"
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> 2) Alter section 6.5.5.3.1. "Residential Customer Privacy" of the
>>>> NRPM by deleting the phrase "holding /64 and larger blocks"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Comments:
>>>>
>>>> a. Timetable for implementation:
>>>>
>>>> Policy should be adopted as soon as possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> b. Anything else:
>>>>
>>>> Author Comments:
>>>>
>>>> IPv6 should not be more burdensome than the equivalent IPv4
>>>> network size.
>>>>
>>>> Currently, assignments of /29 or more of IPv4 space (8
>>>> addresses)
>>>> require registration
>>>>
>>>> The greatest majority of ISP customers who have assignments of
>>>> IPv4 space are of a single IPv4 address which do not trigger any ARIN
>>>> registration requirement when using IPv4.
>>>>
>>>> This is NOT true when these same exact customers use IPv6, as
>>>> assignments of /64 or more of IPv6 space require registration.
>>>>
>>>> Beginning with RFC 3177, it has been standard practice to assign
>>>> a minimum assignment of /64 to every customer end user site, and less is
>>>> never used.
>>>>
>>>> This means that ALL IPv6 assignments, including those customers
>>>> that only use a single IPv4 address must be registered with ARIN if they
>>>> are given the minimum assignment of /64 of IPv6 space.
>>>>
>>>> This additional effort may prevent ISP's from giving IPv6
>>>> addresses because of the additional expense of registering those
>>>> addresses
>>>> with ARIN, which is not required for IPv4.
>>>>
>>>> The administrative burden of 100% customer registration of IPv6
>>>> customers is unreasonable, when such is not required for those customers
>>>> receiving only IPv4 connections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leif Sawyer
>>>>
>>>> Advisory Council
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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