From sandy at tislabs.com  Mon Nov  2 00:04:43 2015
From: sandy at tislabs.com (Sandra Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 00:04:43 -0500
Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN forcing everyone to sign the new RSA?
In-Reply-To: <2CF44F83-F9C3-47F0-ACC3-BFE0F878DF14@corp.arin.net>
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On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:59 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 6:55 PM, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
> David -
> 
>  ARIN issues number resources under the current version of the RSA,
>  so parties requesting new resources should expect to sign the most
>  current version.   The changes from RSA version 11 to 12 are based on
>  changes requested by the community, and I would highly recommend that
>  everyone take the opportunity to review them (even if not requesting any
>  additional resources) as the terms may be more suitable to one's needs
>  than those in your present registration services agreement.
> 

This brings to mind some text I saw on an ARIN page somewhere that explained the need to add ?-Z? to organization IDs when the organization signed an LRSA: in the ARIN database, only one RSA could be associated with an organization.  So if the organization signed the LRSA (for some of their resources, by implication), a new Org-ID had to be created to tie to the new agreement.

Not precisely recalled and I can no longer find that text on the ARIN site.

Was that ever true?  Is it still true?  If an organization has signed an agreement in the past and wants new (IPv6) resources and wants to keep the existing agreement for the existing resources, will it be necessary to create a new Org-ID for those new resources because they are under a new, different agreement?

?Sandy

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From narten at us.ibm.com  Fri Nov  6 00:53:02 2015
From: narten at us.ibm.com (Thomas Narten)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 00:53:02 -0500
Subject: [arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for ppml@arin.net
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From narten at us.ibm.com  Fri Nov 13 00:53:03 2015
From: narten at us.ibm.com (Thomas Narten)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:53:03 -0500
Subject: [arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for ppml@arin.net
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From narten at us.ibm.com  Fri Nov 20 00:53:03 2015
From: narten at us.ibm.com (Thomas Narten)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:53:03 -0500
Subject: [arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for ppml@arin.net
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From ron.baione at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 13:33:37 2015
From: ron.baione at yahoo.com (Ron Baione)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:33:37 -0800
Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN forcing everyone to sign the new RSA?
In-Reply-To: <2CF44F83-F9C3-47F0-ACC3-BFE0F878DF14@corp.arin.net>
Message-ID: <1448303617.81729.YahooMailMobile@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My argument on this matter, and on internet governance in general, is that ICANN, the IGF, MAG, ISOC, DCAD, AKIN, etc act like glorified travel agencies. 

But traveling does not equal leadership. Regardless of how a DC group conducts its democratic discussions on the maiking list, the Chair of a DC group should be spending the majority of time talking to the Secretariat or other higher ups at MAG, the IGF and the UN about gaining more funding, more legal representation, more of everything for the DC, zero time should be spent explaining to the group why something meaningful like the project I proposed cannot get accomplished. 

I&#39;m no longer participating in this discussion or any subsequent discussion on this mailing list, so please, everyone go back to the new 21st century &quot;pretend we are working&quot; mindset where traveling is now the primary accomplishment of world leaders. The DC groups were only created by MAG so that the IGF would have something to gesture towards and say, &quot;Look we are involved in &#39;progress&#39;, we are accomplishing, heck or dynamic coalitions traveled to a conference just last week and discussed important issues! But don&#39;t worry, the chair will get you a summary of our conference discussions soon!&quot;

There is a reason why the greatest technological accomplishments in the past 5 years have been driverless cars, drone technology and the apple IWatch, progress is stalled because people in power are saying to themselves, things are good the way they are but people always want more progress. To remedy that &quot;human want for continuing progress&quot;, let&#39;s do our best to pretend we are progressing, and if anyone figures out the IG scheme to define an utter lack of progress as progress, we will just pretend they are crazy and kick them out of the mailing list or quiet them down somehow, then go back to the planning the next trip. As long as humanity sees the illusion of progress. the less humanity is likely to object to the lack of progress. That is what the G8, the G20 and every other world conference is all about, the illusion of progress for the poor and middle classes of the world to observe and say to themselves, hey that is real progress, they
 traveled and met and talked, that is progress. No it isn&#39;t, it is the maitenance of the status quo, because when you got millions or billions of dollars who really wants to spend any time on real progress when you can create the illusion of progress and spend the majority of time enjoying the good life.

Ron
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From jcurran at arin.net  Mon Nov 23 16:57:04 2015
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:57:04 +0000
Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN forcing everyone to sign the new RSA?
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Message-ID: <4446F6F9-2518-43A2-B682-E8AD921214D6@arin.net>

On Nov 23, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> My argument on this matter, and on internet governance in general, is that ICANN, the IGF, MAG, ISOC, DCAD, AKIN, etc act like glorified travel agencies. 
> 
> But traveling does not equal leadership. Regardless of how a DC group conducts its democratic discussions on the maiking list, the Chair of a DC group should be spending the majority of time talking to the Secretariat or other higher ups at MAG, the IGF and the UN about gaining more funding, more legal representation, more of everything for the DC, zero time should be spent explaining to the group why something meaningful like the project I proposed cannot get accomplished. 

Ron - 
 
  Can you elaborate on the project that you are proposing?  

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN




From info at arin.net  Tue Nov 24 15:52:54 2015
From: info at arin.net (ARIN)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 15:52:54 -0500
Subject: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - November 2015
Message-ID: <5654CE26.50104@arin.net>

In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN
Advisory Council (AC) met on 19 November 2015.

The AC recommended the following to the ARIN Board of Trustees for adoption:

   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for 
IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments
   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-4: Modify 8.2 section to better 
reflect how ARIN handles reorganizations

The AC is continuing to work on:

   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to 
Specified Recipients)
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in 
end-user IPv4 policy
   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated 
need for IPv4 transfers
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for 
Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only 
applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool

Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Regards,

Communications and Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)


From pmcnary at cameron.net  Tue Nov 24 16:26:02 2015
From: pmcnary at cameron.net (Paul)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 15:26:02 -0600
Subject: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - November 2015
In-Reply-To: <5654CE26.50104@arin.net>
References: <5654CE26.50104@arin.net>
Message-ID: <5654D5EA.3010608@cameron.net>

What is the status of a $500 ISP allotment of IPv6?
John said soon at WISPAlooza.

Thanks
Paul McNary

On 11/24/2015 2:52 PM, ARIN wrote:
> In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN
> Advisory Council (AC) met on 19 November 2015.
>
> The AC recommended the following to the ARIN Board of Trustees for 
> adoption:
>
>   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for 
> IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments
>   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-4: Modify 8.2 section to better 
> reflect how ARIN handles reorganizations
>
> The AC is continuing to work on:
>
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to 
> Specified Recipients)
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in 
> end-user IPv4 policy
>   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated 
> need for IPv4 transfers
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for 
> Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks
>   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only 
> applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool
>
> Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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From narten at us.ibm.com  Fri Nov 27 00:53:02 2015
From: narten at us.ibm.com (Thomas Narten)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 00:53:02 -0500
Subject: [arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for ppml@arin.net
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