[arin-ppml] Fwd: [ARIN-20140107-F1419] Fraud Report on CloudRadium LLC
Ted Mittelstaedt
tedm at ipinc.net
Fri Oct 10 01:33:25 EDT 2014
Hi Xiaofan,
I believe you get quicker action on these fraud reports if you
send them to hostmaster at arin.net, I have CCed that address.
I would like John to respond to this, but in my opinion the
organization that is committing fraud can potentially lose all
addresses assigned to it, if it is shown they were obtained
fraudulently as that would have been a violation of the registration
services contract that they signed.
And if ARIN were to pull the IPs then everyone who had "purchased"
the IPs from this organization would likely sue this organization. If
that is, they could find them.
So, in summary, I believe that the principle of Caveat Emptor
applies in these transactions, and that anyone "buying" the IP's
would be looking up the provenance of them before putting any real
money down. Thus, I cannot believe that any of these fraud schemes
are really going to work in the long run - my guess is that what
is actually happening here is that CloudRadium LLC has laid out a lot
of money, attempted to sell a pig in a poke to a group of buyers
who are educated enough to see it for what it is - and as a result
have been uninterested in buying anything from them with the consequence
that CloudRadium LLC has no cash flow and will disappear within a year.
Ted
On 10/9/2014 8:13 PM, xiaofan yang wrote:
> Hello the Community,
>
> As the Baltimore meeting is under way, i would like to report one fraud
> case which has never been resolved by ARIN and i think ARIN just does
> not admit such a fraud exist (in case of embarrassment of itself if the
> evidences to be exposed into the public). However, I am thinking it
> will be my duty as a member to expose such a fraud case in PPML to
> (assist policy discussion) fix the loop hole in some policy under the
> discussion.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *xiaofan yang* <nikiyangxf at gmail.com <mailto:nikiyangxf at gmail.com>>
> Date: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-20140107-F1419] Fraud Report on CloudRadium LLC
> To: hostmaster at arin.net <mailto:hostmaster at arin.net>
> Cc: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
>
>
> Fraud Report on one of your current member
>
>
> Some basic info about the company who has deceived its IPv4 application.
>
> Name of the Comnapy: CloudRadium LLC.
>
> Registry address: 1603 Capitol Ave St3 310, Cheyenne, WY.
>
> Owner’s name: Li Xuan (李轩） & Deng Xiu Ping (邓秀平)
>
>
> As the IPv4 has been depleted in the AP regions, some so-called clever
> guys from China registered a LLC named CloudRadium LLC in WY in
> 2012-10-01, meanwhile they registered a domain named
> http://www.cloudradium.com on 2012-09-26. From then, they’v started
> their journey of deceiving the Cherish IPv4 resources which should
> belong to the Arin Internet Community from ARIN. They have carefully
> studied and researched all Arin’s Policy on IPv4 management and has
> abused the policy to apply for more IPv4 steps by steps by using the
> fraud information. See details below.
>
>
> They do not have or own any IDC infrastructure Either in the USA or in
> China. What they do is to rent other IDC racks and resell its so-called
> IDC services to end-users, Which can be proved by its own Chinese
> Website and its upstreams who announced their applied IPs after
> CloudRadium has paid those upstreams money for doing this.
>
>
> They are ineligible for receiving any ongoing IPv4 large blocks.
> However, they have planned this long time ago and they started from
> applying for smaller blocks initially and requesting subsequent IPs for
> every 3-months (they were planning to keep request IPv4 blocks for more
> than 12 months). One year later after being a member of ARIN, they can
> request a 12-month needs of IPv4 and they have kept requesting IPv4
> blocks for 12 months or even more. As a result, they gradually
> “steals” quite a lot IPs from ARIN. Normally, the larger of their
> previous allocation, it will be quite easier for them to have even more
> or another larger block from ARIN ( this is kind of abusing ARIN’s
> policy by their well-designed sophisticated justification information).
>
>
> They submitted falsified utilisation or organisation information during
> the resource request process.
>
> Detailed explanations plus evidence in the attachment:
>
>
> 1.They have used little of their allocated IPs and they just pay its
> upstreams to announce their IPs to make IPs look like being used.
>
> 2.Actually, they has fewer customers who used their so-called services
> and they fake their customer base by making fake contracts with unexists
> or imaginable customers and making up the equipment list and purchase
> invoices, which make their business looks like the same as the real one.
>
> 3.One of their core business is to help other Chinese company to apply
> for Arin IPs by execution a ARIN IPv4 application Contract ( I have
> this contract and can be used as the evidence to show they are not only
> applying for Arin IPs for themselves by using fraud info but also help
> others to apply for Arin IPs by using the fraud info too. They will
> sign this Arin IPv4 application Contract with those Chinese and produce
> fake IDC and bandwidth service contract which is to be provided to ARIN
> HM for justifying those Chinese’s initial /20 IPv4 application (For any
> ongoing IPv4 request, they will charge more money from those Chinese for
> doing this). XeVPS L.L.C also registered in WY (23.226.176.0/20
> <http://23.226.176.0/20>) and XIAOZHIYUN L.L.C registered in CA
> (23.226.48.0/20 <http://23.226.48.0/20>) are this kinds of customer of
> CloudRadium who help them to apply for ARIN IPv4 by using fraud
> information. Please pay an attention to those newly registered LLC in
> WY, Normally, CloudRadium will help its cust to register LLC in WY.
>
> 4.Another strategy or core business is to “steal” enough IPs from
> ARIN and (when the one year restriction of transfer defined by ARIN
> policy has expired) transfer those IPv4 back to AP region or China,
> where the IPv4 has already been depleted in 2011-04-15 and they are
> planning to make quite lots of profits for selling those IPv4 back to
> Asia Market.
>
> 5.In a word, their main purpose is to have as many IPv4 as they can.
> Their company is not founded for the purpose of doing business in USA,
> but for accumulating IPv4 addresses, all of which can be verified by
> the attached Company Registry Search and shows that CloudRadium LLC has
> not paid any tax and has been inactive administratively Dissolved；
> which also means it is illegal for doing any kinds of business
> (including but without limited to apply for IPv4 from ARIN; to provide
> its “so-called” IDC rack Rental Services etc).
>
>
> 6. Furthermore, CloudRadium was administratively dissolved at 12 Sep,
> 2013. Which means 60 days before that, around July they should’ve
> received a notice from the secretary of state about the dissolution. A
> administratively dissolved company can not carry on any business except
> that are necessary to wind up and liquidate the company under MBCA(Model
> Business Cooperation Act Chapter14 Section05). Knowing this,
> CloudRadium still applied for the 23.224.0.0/15 <http://23.224.0.0/15>
> around Sep 2013. Why do a dissolved company need any IP resources? It’s
> not like they can carry on any business which needs IP resources
> anymore. I couldn’t help but wonder how did their application materials
> justify this? If they were saying that need the /15 for expanding their
> business, then their application is nothing but a fraud.
>
>
> I think ARIN must be knowing that CloudRadium is applying for an ongoing
> /14 IPv4 now. Considering its current company status, how can they
> continue to apply for subsequent IPv4 from ARIN? Will ARIN continue to
> allocate another /14 to CloudRadium?
>
>
>
> All in all, CloudRadium does not deserve any IPv4 ( including but
> without limit to its currently allocated ARIN IPv4 and any ongoing
> allocation from ARIN), Considering its company status is inactive
> administratively dissolved. According to the above explanation and the
> evidence in the attachment and ARIN Policy, ARIN has to
> *reclaim/revoke* all its ARIN’s IPv4 upon the completion of your
> internal investigation.
>
>
> As a respponsible member of the community, I would strongly suggest ARIN
> to look into this matter ( Fraudulent behaviour) seriously.
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is a list of IPv4 ARIN has already allocated to this Fraud called
> CloudRadium LLC.
>
>
> 23.224.0.0/15 <http://23.224.0.0/15>
>
> 2013-09-04
>
>
> 172.247.0.0/16 <http://172.247.0.0/16>
>
> 2013-06-06
>
>
> 162.209.128.0/17 <http://162.209.128.0/17>
>
> 2013-04-01
>
>
> 192.151.192.0/18 <http://192.151.192.0/18>
>
> 2013-01-03
>
>
> 192.161.80.0/20 <http://192.161.80.0/20>
>
> 2012-11-01
>
>
>
>
> Address assigned by its upstream.
>
> 64.120.67.0/24 <http://64.120.67.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-22
>
>
> 108.62.122.0/24 <http://108.62.122.0/24>
>
> 108.62.123.0/24 <http://108.62.123.0/24>
>
> 108.62.124.0/24 <http://108.62.124.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-23
>
>
> 147.255.49.0/24 <http://147.255.49.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-23
>
>
>
> 173.208.13.0/24 <http://173.208.13.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-23
>
>
> 172.208.14.0/24 <http://172.208.14.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-23
>
>
> 173.208.24.0/24 <http://173.208.24.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-23
>
>
> 173.208.71.0/24 <http://173.208.71.0/24>
>
> 2012-10-23
>
>
>
> Attachment:
>
> 1st. "IP地址申请合同" evidence for above paragraph 3
>
> 2nd. :Chat with the owner of CloudRadium" evidence for above paragraph
> 1,2,3 and 4, Pay attention to the red coloured info. I think you
> may have someone who can read Chinese in Arin or you may ask help from
> trusted third party to translate those words, which can be used as the
> evidence (even ) on the court.
>
> 3rd. "CloudRadium LLC" evidence for above paragraph6; you can also
> search its company status via link
> https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingSearch.aspx
>
> 4th. Please also see the complains from one Chinese customer via
> http://www.sc315.gov.cn/WenZ_3J_3_3.aspx?id=55971&menuid=78
> <http://www.sc315.gov.cn/WenZ_3J_3_3.aspx?id=55971&menuid=78>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Niki
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:57 PM, <hostmaster at arin.net
> <mailto:hostmaster at arin.net>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for your report. We'll investigate. Any additional
> documentation you have would be helpful.
>
> If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please
> respond to
> this message or contact me directly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Worley
> Senior Resource Analyst
> ARIN Registration Services
> https://www.arin.net/
> hostmaster at arin.net <mailto:hostmaster at arin.net>
> 703.227.0660 <tel:703.227.0660>
>
> For an up to date look at ARIN's current IPv4 inventory, please
> check here:
>
> https://www.arin.net/__resources/request/ipv4___depletion.html
> <https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_depletion.html>
>
>
>
>
>
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