[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7

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Fri May 17 17:06:52 EDT 2013



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Today's Topics:

   1. Advisory Council Meeting Results - May 2013 (ARIN)
   2. Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles (ARIN)
   3. Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user	Definitions (ARIN)
   4. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user
      Definitions (Chris Grundemann)
   5. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user
      Definitions (Jason Schiller)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:53:08 -0400
From: ARIN <info at arin.net>
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - May 2013
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In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process, the ARIN 
Advisory Council (AC) held a meeting on 16 May 2013 and made decisions 
about draft policies and proposals.

The AC recommended the following to the ARIN Board for adoption:

   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2012-2: IPv6 Subsequent Allocations 
Utilization Requirement

The AC accepted the following Proposals as Draft Policies. They will be 
posted separately to the Public Policy Mailing List.

   ARIN-prop-187 RIR Principles
   ARIN-prop-188 LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

The AC is continuing to work on the following:

   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-1: Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers 
of ASNs
   Draft Policy ARIN-2013-2: 3GPP Network IP Resource Policy
   ARIN-prop-186 Section 8.2 Reorganizations

Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

The AC asked for the following to be posted the list:

"The ARIN Advisory Council honors the memory of Robert Stratton.

The AC thanks Bob for many years of dedicated service to ARIN and the 
ARIN community.  Your financial leadership, good nature and good humor 
were an inspiration to us all and were vital in building ARIN into the 
organization that it is today.  We are saddened that you had to leave us 
and you are sorely missed.  You and your family will remain in our 
hearts and thoughts forever."

Regards,

Communications and Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:53:23 -0400
From: ARIN <info at arin.net>
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles
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Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4
RIR Principles

On 16 May 2013 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-187 
RIR Principles" as a Draft Policy.

Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4 is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2013_4.html

You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft 
Policy 2013-4 on the Public Policy Mailing List. 2013-4 will also be on 
the agenda at the upcoming ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 58 
in New Orleans.

The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance 
of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource 
Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:

  * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
  * Technically Sound
  * Supported by the Community

The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

Regards,

Communications and Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)


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Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4
RIR Principles

Date: 17 May 2013

Problem Statement:

The original text in RFC 2050 both "describes the registry system for 
the distribution of globally unique Internet address space and registry 
operations" and provides "rules and guidelines [principles] governing 
the distribution of this address space."

The currently proposed update (RFC2050bis) "provides information about 
the current Internet Numbers Registry System used in the distribution of 
globally unique Internet Protocol (IP) address space and autonomous 
system (AS) numbers" and "provides information about the processes for 
further evolution of the Internet Numbers Registry System."

This means that the guiding principles of stewardship are not currently 
being carried forward into the new document. The goals of Conservation 
(efficient utilization based on need), Routability (hierarchical 
aggregation), and Registration (uniqueness) are as important, if not 
more so, now that the transition to IPv6 is upon us. This can be 
rectified by documenting these principles in RIR policy.

Policy Statement:

Section 0: Principles and Goals of the Internet Registry System

0.1. Efficient utilization based on need (Conservation)

Policies for managing Internet number resources must support fair 
distribution of globally unique Internet address space according to the 
operational needs of the end-users and Internet Service Providers 
operating networks using this address space. The registry should prevent 
stockpiling in order to maximize the conservation and efficient 
utilization of the Internet address space.

0.1.1. Documented Justified Need (Needs Based)

Assignment of Internet number resources is based on documented 
operational need. Utilization rate of address space will be a key factor 
in number resource assignment. To this end, registrants should have 
documented justified need available for each assignment. Organizations 
will be assigned resources based on immediate utilization plus expected 
utilization.

In order to promote increased usage of Internet number resources, 
resource holders will be required to provide an accounting of resources 
currently held demonstrating efficient utilization. Internet number 
resources are valid as long as the criteria continues to be met. The 
transfer of Internet number resources from one party to another must be 
approved by the regional registries. The party trying to obtain the 
resources must meet the same criteria as if they were requesting 
resources directly from the IR.

All Internet number resource requests are subject to audit and 
verification by any means deemed appropriate by the regional registry.

0.2. Hierarchical aggregation (Routability)

Policies for managing Internet number resources must support 
distribution of globally unique Internet addresses in a hierarchical 
manner, permitting the routing scalability of the addresses. This 
scalability is necessary to ensure proper operation of Internet routing, 
although it must be stressed that routability is in no way guaranteed 
with the allocation or assignment of IPv4 addresses.

0.3. Uniqueness (Registration)

Provision of a public registry documenting Internet number resource 
allocation, reallocation, assignment, and reassignment is necessary to:

a) ensure uniqueness and to to provide operational staff with 
information on who is using the number resource b) to provide a contact 
in case of operational/security problems (e.g. Law Enforcement) c) to 
ensure that a provider has exhausted a majority of its current CIDR 
allocation, thereby justifying an additional allocation d) to assist in 
IP allocation studies.

It is imperative that reassignment information be submitted in a prompt 
and efficient manner to facilitate database maintenance and ensure 
database integrity.

0.4. Stewardship

It should be noted that efficient utilization and hierarchical 
aggregation are often conflicting goals. All the above goals may 
sometimes be in conflict with the interests of individual end-users or 
Internet Service Providers. Care must be taken to ensure balance with 
these conflicting goals given the resource availability, relative size 
of the resource, and number resource specific technical dynamics, for 
each type of number resource. For example, efficient utilization becomes 
a more prominent issue than aggregation as the IPv4 free pool depletes 
and IPv4 resource availability in any transfer market decreases. 
Conversely, because the IPv6 number space is orders of magnitude larger 
than the IPv4 number space, the scale tips away from efficient 
utilization towards hierarchical aggregation for IPv6 number resources.

Comments:

a. Timetable for implementation: immediately

b. I believe that it would be beneficial for IANA to adopt these 
principles as well, and encourage the community to consider a global 
policy proposal.


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:53:35 -0400
From: ARIN <info at arin.net>
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user
	Definitions
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Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5
LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

On 16 May 2013 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-188 
LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions" as a Draft Policy.

Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5 is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2013_5.html

You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft 
Policy 2013-5 on the Public Policy Mailing List. 2013-5 will also be on 
the agenda at the upcoming ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 58 
in New Orleans.

The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance 
of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource 
Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:

  * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
  * Technically Sound
  * Supported by the Community

The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

Regards,

Communications and Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)


## * ##


Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5
LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

Date: 17 May 2013

Problem Statement:

At ARIN 31, the Policy Experience Report (slides at 
https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_31/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf 
or 
https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_31/PPT/monday/nobile_policy.pptx) 
reported that, in ARIN staff's experience, the NRPM does not adequately 
define ISP/LIR vs. end-user. As currently defined, and interpreted 
literally, many companies do not qualify as either LIRs or end-users. I 
would propose that the primary difference between ISPs/LIRs vs. 
end-users, for purposes of the NRPM, is whether an organization 
reassigns address blocks to third parties. If an organization maintains 
full control of all of the equipment on its network, and doesn't need to 
make any reassignments to other organizations, then it can qualify as an 
end-user. In particular, an end user organization can supply a full list 
of all the IP addresses in use on its network, and know what devices are 
using those addresses.

An ISP/LIR, on the other hand, should be defined by whether they 
delegate that responsibility to another organization. In that case, they 
need to reassign the network space via SWIP/rwhois, which makes them an 
LIR. Additionally, there are likely some ISPs that do not (yet) need to 
delegate any address blocks, but which assign address space to users 
(rather than to their own equipment), which should also fall under the 
definition of LIR/ISP.

Policy statement:

Update NRPM 2.4 and 2.6 to read:

2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP) The 
terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used interchangeably 
in this document. A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns 
address space to the users of the network services that it provides. 
Therefore, LIRs / ISPs are organizations that reassign addresses to end 
users and/or reallocate addresses to other ISPs/LIRs.

2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of IP 
addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks, and does not 
register any reassignments of that space.

Timetable for implementation: Immediate


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 21:08:54 +0100
From: Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>
To: ARIN <info at arin.net>
Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and
	End-user	Definitions
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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
[...]
> Policy statement:
>
> Update NRPM 2.4 and 2.6 to read:
>
> 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP) The
> terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used interchangeably in
> this document. A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns address
> space to the users of the network services that it provides. Therefore, LIRs
> / ISPs are organizations that reassign addresses to end users and/or
> reallocate addresses to other ISPs/LIRs.

I think this is a bit redundant ('a LIR is an IR') and could be made
more similar to the end-user definition thus:

"2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP)
The terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used
interchangeably in this document. An ISP is a LIR that receives
allocations of IP addresses to provide network services to its users.
An LIR / ISP reassigns addresses to end users and/or reallocates
addresses to other ISPs / LIRs."

I'm also curious as to the community sentiment regarding using these
two terms interchangeably. It seems that it may be more clear to go
through the NRPM and make change to one or the other in all instances.

Would using a single term provide better clarity can continuity?

Which term would you prefer to use if that were the case (LIR or ISP)?


> 2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of IP
> addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks, and does not
> register any reassignments of that space.

It's not the registration of the reassignment that makes an LIR/ISP
different from an end-user, but the reassignment itself. I think the
following text makes this more clear:

"2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization that receives
assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational
networks. An end-user does not reassign or reallocate addresses to any
other organization."

Cheers,
~Chris


> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 16:57:39 -0400
From: Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
To: Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>
Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and
	End-user	Definitions
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I know people won't like this, but if you are going to pick one term
ISP/LIR, I'd recommend LIR.

LIR shows up in the other regions, and also global polices.

For clarity I think the best thing to do is use "ISP/LIR" as the single
term everywhere.

I think Chris Grundeman's simplification of ISP/LIR is fine, and his
clarification of end-user is good.

__Jason



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
> [...]
> > Policy statement:
> >
> > Update NRPM 2.4 and 2.6 to read:
> >
> > 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP) The
> > terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used interchangeably in
> > this document. A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns
> address
> > space to the users of the network services that it provides. Therefore,
> LIRs
> > / ISPs are organizations that reassign addresses to end users and/or
> > reallocate addresses to other ISPs/LIRs.
>
> I think this is a bit redundant ('a LIR is an IR') and could be made
> more similar to the end-user definition thus:
>
> "2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP)
> The terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used
> interchangeably in this document. An ISP is a LIR that receives
> allocations of IP addresses to provide network services to its users.
> An LIR / ISP reassigns addresses to end users and/or reallocates
> addresses to other ISPs / LIRs."
>
> I'm also curious as to the community sentiment regarding using these
> two terms interchangeably. It seems that it may be more clear to go
> through the NRPM and make change to one or the other in all instances.
>
> Would using a single term provide better clarity can continuity?
>
> Which term would you prefer to use if that were the case (LIR or ISP)?
>
>
> > 2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of IP
> > addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks, and does not
> > register any reassignments of that space.
>
> It's not the registration of the reassignment that makes an LIR/ISP
> different from an end-user, but the reassignment itself. I think the
> following text makes this more clear:
>
> "2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization that receives
> assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational
> networks. An end-user does not reassign or reallocate addresses to any
> other organization."
>
> Cheers,
> ~Chris
>
>
> > Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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>
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