[arin-ppml] Incorrect POC on resource records

[Steven Noble]

Hi Ted,

On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:27 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>> All that happens when you change the POC to a known bad one is you
>> make it harder for the owner of the resource to update the record, or
>> refresh the ORG which is what you want.
> 
> Steve is correct in that ARIN put the "No Known Contacts" in his
> organization record, and I'm currently reviewing the details on
> how and why this occurred.  It is _not_ a case of long-abandoned 
> registration of resources or failure to perform POC validation 
> (which I believe is what Ted is concerned about, with good reason)

Now that we have confirmation, are you willing to accept that lack of a ORG update, or even insertion of No, Contact Known does not always mean that a object is invalid?

>>> Tell your story, name names, name dates, provide verifiable info
>>> here, and I am sure people will listen.
>> 
>> I have clearly stated that John has permission to discuss it and if
>> not I will once we are happy that we understand what went on.  I am
>> not claiming that ARIN did something malicious or purposely to me, I
>> am stating that it took me a very long time to clear up an issue.
> 
> Agreed - Far longer than should have been necessary, and I will 
> rectify that and send details to the list as soon as I am sure
> I've finished researching the how and why of what occurred.


Ted, if you need more information, past John's confirmation, I can share more.  Things happen, people are not infallible, ARIN included.  Your "screw 'em" attitude is not helpful when trying to sort out such a sensitive subject.

If I had not been able to get this issue sorted out, and lost my resources later due to the state of my ORG and your (and probably others) views that I cannot be bothered to update my information therefore I (and anyone else in my position) have no right to the resources…  

Also since you seem to claim you were the one who pushed so hard for the policy that caused me to lose many hours dealing with ARIN are you going to compensate me for said lost hours? ;).