[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-176 Increase Needs-Based Justification to 60 months on 8.3 Specified Transfers

[David Farmer]

On 6/29/12 16:13 CDT, David Farmer wrote:
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> On 6/29/12 10:06 CDT, jeffmehlenbacher at ipv4marketgroup.com wrote:
>> As I previously told you Owen, we are asked once per week by a
>> prospective buyer or seller how these transactions can be accommodated
>> without enduring the rigors of justification.  When we identify the
>> risks for both buyers and sellers alike, they go quiet.  You wonder
>> where they go don't you?  I have a pretty good idea they simply seek
>> alternative means and providers.  So it's not fear mongering to suggest
>> people will disregard the registry.  Some do.  I cannot quantify it
>> because we neither endorse nor monitor.
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> We need to find middle ground here guys.
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> John, and others,

Sorry, that should be;

Jeff and others,

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> Needs justifications are not going to go away, so stop asking for the
> community to make it go away, its not going to happen.
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> However, on the flip side,
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> Owen, and others
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> The community does need to find way of simplifying the process and make
> needs justification less of a burden if transfers are going to work the
> way we need them too.  If we don't then people will find a way around
> the process.  Owen, you're fond of John Gilmore's quote about the
> "Internet routing around damage," well if our policies create damage
> they will get routed around too and that's not fear mongering.
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> So trying to think outside the box here, what if we created some special
> rules that simplified demonstrating operational need for smaller
> transfers but still fundamentally kept reasonable needs justifications
> in place overall.
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> - Allow any organization to receive a transfer of an unaggregated /24,
> that the original assignment was a single class C or a /24 that is not
> part of a larger range of addresses held by the same organization
> originating the transfer, on the condition that the recipient puts it
> into operational use within 6 month and they cannot receive another such
> transfer for 24 months without demonstrating justified need.
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> - Allow any organization to receive a transfer of up to 50% of their
> current holdings or /16 which is ever is smaller on the condition that
> the recipient puts it into operational use within 6 month and they
> cannot receive another such transfer for 24 months without demonstrating
> justified need.
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> - All transfers larger than /16 require demonstrating justified need
> with a window of 24 or maybe 36 months.
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> This probably needs work on the details, but is something like this a
> workable compromise?
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>> Correct, as we are debating transfers you are correct to point out free
>> allocations in APNIC are needs-based.
>>
>> Jeff Mehlenbacher
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