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[arin-ppml] Update for pp149 Improved Transparency for Directed Transfers

There isn't necessarily an ASN that belongs to the resource holder involved.

Owen

On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:

> I actually wouldn't mind seeing the source ASN in the data.  The destination ASN is trivial to find so is a non issue.  I don't see why this would be an issue, if an ASN is afraid of anyone noticing they are transferring blocks there is probably a reason for that the community should be aware of anyway.
> 
> This is not a deal breaker in any way shape or form and would not affect my support.  Just to satisfy my curiosity.  
> 
> Kevin
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of Owen DeLong
>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:42 AM
>> To: David Farmer
>> Cc: arin ppml
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Update for pp149 Improved Transparency for
>> Directed Transfers
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:34 PM, David Farmer wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/2/11 18:48 CDT, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 2:54 PM, David Farmer<farmer at umn.edu>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/2/11 15:52 CDT, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 1:07 PM, David Farmer wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Owen,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would like to clarify something, the intent is to publish a
>>>>>>> list of resources (the numbers) that have been transferred and
>>>>>>> any resources disaggregated as part of transfers.  Similar to
>>>>>>> the list of micro allocations that have been made, see;
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.arin.net/knowledge/micro_allocations.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, but, in this case, I think that dates are also vital data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not seeing why the date is vital, could you explain your
>>>>> reasoning?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To prevent breaking smaller networks that have been online for years
>>>> by limiting prefix sizes overall it will be necessary to be able to
>>>> tell recent deaggregation apart from earlier segmentation.
>>> 
>>> I see how having the date for each transfer would let you differentiate
>> between transfers on the list, earlier transfers verses later transfers.
>> But, how does the date of the transfer help you differentiate between
>> disaggregation from transfers verses earlier segmentation?
>>> 
>> 
>> It's unclear where in time the breaking point will occur, so, it may
>> be some network operators want to allow smaller prefixes from
>> some earlier transfers. If we have the date, the network operators
>> can make the decision. If we don't, then they can't.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
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