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[arin-ppml] [arin-announce] [Fwd: ARIN-prop-133: No Volunteer Services on Behalf of Unaffiliated Address Blocks]

On 2/15/2011 10:21 PM, Eric Westbrook wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 22:36, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>
>      > If the effort is to entice legacy space holders into joining
>     ARIN, don't
>      > try to penalize them.  Give them a positive incentive.
>
>     I don't see this proposal as involving any penalties. Indeed, it is
>     the absence of this kind of thinking that consistently leads to
>     proposals to force legacy holders into the ARIN regime. The
>     (implied) incentive in 133 is that legacy holders can go to other
>     service providers - assuming of course, that we retain a consistent
>     and integrated whois that works across multiple service providers.
>
>
> Nothing's broken today with respect to the services in question.  I can
> only envision additional costs, rigmarole, and coordination issues to
> come with a multiple-provider regime.
>
> Perhaps what's broken is that legacy holders like me don't pay -- at
> least, that seems to be the source of some significant outrage here.

Not to me, and it's never really been that much.

What I really resent most of all are the legacy-assigned blocks that
are NOT in use.

I don't care if you were assigned a legacy block 15 years ago that your
paying nothing for - and you have 60% or more utilized.  If anything,
you have my support to have at it.

But I do very much care if you have a legacy block that you got 15
years ago that is at 1% utilization because your too fat, dumb, and lazy
to renumber into a /24 within that block and return the rest to
the RIR.

> Unfortunately, the LRSA is a non-starter (to me and others I know)
> because of potential dilution of rights to the resource, as I've
> articulated before.

Your resource is only good for accessing others resources, and that
usefulness is going to go away in the future.  10 years from now nobody
will give a rat's ass about your "rights to the resource".  So all I
can conclude in reading a statement like this from a legacy holder is
that either  a) your sticking your head in the sand about IPv6 or
b) Your an old man who plans on retiring long before IPv4 gets abandoned 
or c) your just making up excuses to yourself to justify not paying 
anything because your conscience is bugging you.

None of which I or anyone else really gives a hoot about.  In other 
words, we don't give a fig about your precious "rights" to your Legacy 
resource - as long as your USING it.

Because, ultimately, if you ARE using it, then it's YOUR CUSTOMERS THE
END USERS who are REALLY the users here.  It's THEY I care about 
reaching, NOT YOU.

The rest of us on the Internet have made an exception for your block NOT 
because of your imaginary "rights" but because we care about the USERS 
of your block.

   Barring a change to that, and with no other way in,
> we're stuck.  Were that different, I for one would cheerfully sign, pay,
> and enjoy more formal participation.

Baloney.

   All I can do today is cooperate by
> keeping my information current.
>
> Carrots and sticks are uncompelling to the legacy holder.
>

Utter rubbish.  Either your a legacy holder who is planning on 
continuing your Internet presense (in which case you have obtained
IPv6, and are paying for it, and signed an RSA for it)
or your planning on riding off into the sunset once your IPv4 becomes 
useless.  And if it's the latter, then you really have nothing 
constructive to add, IMHO.

Ted

> $0.02,
> Eric
>
>
>
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