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[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - January 2011

On 2/4/11 3:03 PM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
> I would question whether that’s a valid reason to abandon a proposal. 
> It’s my understanding that if one doesn’t like the way ARIN does
> something the proper channel for change is the PDP.  If the AC is going
> to abandon those proposals because “it’s not the way we do it” then what
> IS the proper channel?

Or it's possible that widespread opposition to the proposal at a more
basic level than the AC is a factor in considering whether we should
consider doing it some other way.

I and many other's opposed 130 because we belive that assignment method
lacks any justification. A lack of consensus that it's even remotely a
good idea seems like a factor for the AC to consider.

No, we don't do it that way.

joel

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> Aaron
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> *From:*arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Bill Darte
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:35 PM
> *To:* William Herrin; arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - January 2011
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> Bill,
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> So in the case of PP 130 for example.  The PP was abandoned because it
> didn't conform to the communities principle of needs-based assignments.
> And, that was the stated reason. 
> 
> A paragraph to say that would be no clearer, nor would it make the
> author feel any better.
> I suppose we could state the obvious, that we appreciate the author's
> involvement and willingness to engage in the PDP. 
> 
> We all do appreciate that and I guess we should state it....but somehow
> I believe you might find fault with that statement...and perhaps this
> one....considering each disingenuous.
> 
> bd
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net on behalf of William Herrin
> Sent: Thu 2/3/2011 8:18 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - January 2011
> 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>> Yes, but the current policy (2009-8) activated today with IANA exhaustion,
>> it would have taken emergency action to prevent that.  Or are you
> suggestion
>> we should go down to three months, back to twelve months, and then back
> down
>> to three months again?  Honestly, that doesn't sound like a good idea
> to me.
> 
> David,
> 
> That might have been a good reason for bouncing it. But "there isn't
> time" is  disingenuous. There's always time.
> 
> It sets me off when a member of the AC (or the AC as a whole)
> announces that there isn't time for something. Not enough time to get
> this through the process. Too many proposals, not enough time to work
> on this one. Call it a pet peeve.
> 
> Many of you are past your first terms. If you couldn't figure out how
> to make time, you shouldn't have run for reelection. You know: lead,
> follow or ::get out of the way::. Those of you past your first terms
> did run for reelection. So now it's just a wussy excuse.
> 
> This is part of another irritant for me as well: I find the brusque
> way the AC disposes of proposals it decides to abandon to be
> disrespectful to their authors. A proposal author has spent  hours
> behind the scenes carefully crafting language, researching process and
> writing justification. When you make the decision instead of leaving
> it to consensus, simple courtesy demands at least a paragraph from
> each of you explaining why the proposal wasn't good enough.
> 
> -Bill
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