[arin-ppml] Reclaiming unused IPv4 space (WAS: Draft Policy 2010-10 (Global Proposal):GlobalPolicy for IPv4 Allocations by the IANA Post Exhaustion- Last Call (textrevised))

[Hannigan, Martin]

On 11/3/10 3:57 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:

> On 11/3/2010 12:17 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
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>>>> Any way we can demonstrate if there really is a problem before writing a
>>>> proposal that is likely to be very difficult to reach consensus?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, Martin.
>>> 
>>> I have posted SEVERAL TIMES to this list the following data:
>>> 
>>> Back in 1999 we had a customer with a legacy /24, Leatherman Tools.
>>> The block is NET-199-248-255-0-1 you can look it up in WHOIS.
>> 
>> 
>> What's the ROI on recovering that, Ted? Marketing?
>> 
> 
> With translation you can put a company the size of Microsoft's Redmond
> campus behind that /24.  So, you tell me.  What happens when there
> are no more /24's and that is the only potential out there?

Ted, 

Here you acknowledge that LEATHERMAN is legit:

    http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2007-July/007675.html


What exactly are they doing wrong? Not routing the addresses? Where are they
not in compliance?



>> There are clearly easy pickings. In the end, those easy pickings are going
>> to come back into inventory without a huge amount of effort on our part.
>> 
>> There are certainly bigger fish to fry and sometimes subtlety works better
>> than the stick. I believe that as a community we've come to consensus on the
>> former. The latter will be most difficult to achieve.
>> 
> 
> Sooner or later the big fish will be all fried.  Then you fry the
> smaller fish.  


You gave me an example of a /24. If that's what the community thinks are the
big fish we'll be bankrupt before we recover the equivalent of a /14.

Best,

-M<