[ppml] NANOG IPv4 Exhaustion BoF
Tony Hain
alh-ietf at tndh.net
Thu Mar 6 20:13:43 EST 2008
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Geoff Huston wrote: > ... > So one can either say "the future is this big scary unknown place that > we shouldn't tamper with", or you can do what you can to mitigate some > of the more destructive potential outcomes and attempt to encourage > some > of the more beneficial ones. Now if your aim is to make IPv4 last > forever then obviously we disagree about what is a net beneficial > outcome for this Internet. "this big scary unknown place" is one of the economic factors that has lead us past the point where we could avoid the looming pain. There is a cost to learning something new, and those that have not learned it will not be able to justify their high salaries in the new world order. This makes it very self-serving to seek out any excuse to maintain the status quo. The warped part of most of these discussions is that they are only concerned with the address-assignment/routing part of the system, and they completely ignore the costs associated with deploying and managing the end-system/application environment. The perception that the edge network can live with only one version is propagated by those in the core that have no concept of what it costs at the edge. There will be an extended period of overlap, despite exhaustion of the free pool. The space will fragment, with or without transfer policies, and the cost for operating the IPv4 network will rise. This will happen no matter what the price is for a block of space. While I agree there needs to be a mechanism to keep the records straight, it is not at all clear that there is any way to impose a historical perspective of 'need' onto a trading market. For starters, the measure of 'need' is not based on the amount of space, it is on the ability to get that routed. Just as now, a site may need a /30, but if routing says that the smallest thing that will pass a filter is a /24, then the site will not pass the test without inflating their claim to the smallest routable block. If you are really going to spend time on designing a market, design a market for routing slots, then the addressing market will take care of itself. Unfortunately, the RIRs are not in the business of routing, and the big ISPs are more interested in killing off the little guys than building a market that would sustain competition. BGP based TE is a prime example of artificially raising the barrier to entry, and complete fragmentation of the IPv4 pool only magnifies that effect. Before spending too much time on an optimal market design, look at the winners and losers in each scenario, then look at who has influence over which scenario gets picked. When you find the match between those with influence and the scenario where they win, you will know which path we are on... Tony
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