[ppml] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois
Leo Bicknell
bicknell at ufp.org
Wed Jan 9 18:49:40 EST 2008
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In a message written on Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:15:35PM -0500, Eastman, Bruce wrote: > I don't mean this to be insulting by any means, but I have seen you > mention Lynch mobs and vigilante justice on here a few different times, > I am just curious to know if there have ever been any documented > instances where vigilante justice has taken place over the issue of > spamming, and if so, was the victim actually found by information > provided in the whois data base? If you're looking for direct evidence of someone murdering a spammer and then standing up and saying "I used ARIN's whois database to find them" then no, I can provide no direct evidence. I also want to stress the issue is not just vigilante mobs going against spammers though. All the reasons people hate each other apply in the cyber world as well. And it's not just vigilante mobs, it's also lone individual harasser. Consider cyberstalking, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking. Has there ever been a case where a predator used whois data to help locate a victim? When a battered woman moves across country and signs up for new internet access is there adequate disclosure from the provider her name address and phone number may be listed in a global, public database? If her ex finds her through that information and kills her, is the ISP, or even ARIN partially liable? To bring back a golden oldie: McGruff.org has "stay safe online" recommendations: http://www.mcgruff.org/Advice/online_safety.php "Never give out personal information like your name, telephone number, address, email, or school name." How many kids are giving out their name, address, and telephone number just by surfing the web from an IP with fairly specific whois information? Who's using that information, and for what purpose? The sad part of all of this is the victims aren't going to speak up. Spammers who have people come to their house and make a death threat aren't going to go to the police. Battered women who need to remain anonymous to stay away from their ex aren't going to write front page articles on CNN about how their privacy was compromised. Child predators aren't going to let the world know whois is a goldmine for them. What percentage of people who buy service from a provide who lists their details in whois know that is the case? I can buy a phone line for home and have it be unlisted. I can buy 5 phone lines for home and have them be unlisted. I can buy 500 phone lines for home and have them be unlisted. Yet, to participate in the Internet at anything more than a basic level I must provide my information to the entire world? -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request at tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20080109/bcadd292/attachment.bin
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