[ppml] Solicing comments: IPv4 to IPv6 Migration Incentive Address Space
Scott Beuker
scott.beuker at sjrb.ca
Thu Jun 28 20:27:58 EDT 2007
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William, The most fundamental problem I have with your proposal is the inefficiencies of automatic IPv6 assignments via translation from IPv4. One of the benefits we should hope to achieve from a transition to IPv6 is to reduce the fragmentation of assignments in the IPv4 space. So the status quo of having organizations apply for and receive a single IPv6 assignment from ARIN is highly desirable. As has been stated, approval for IPv6 address space shouldn't be a stumbling block for anyone who has IPv4 space. In light of this, the rest of the proposal is moot, because it seems the crux is the automatic mapping of address space. But I do applaud anyone making an effort to move IPv6 adoption forward, and hope you will continue your work. I just think you may need to go back to the drawing board on this one. Thanks, Scott Beuker Network Architect, IP Backbone Shaw Internet Engineering -----Original Message----- From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:32 AM To: John Paul Morrison Cc: ppml at arin.net Subject: Re: [ppml] Solicing comments: IPv4 to IPv6 Migration Incentive Address Space On 6/27/07, John Paul Morrison <jmorrison at bogomips.com> wrote: > I do not support this proposal as it essentially duplicates the IPv6 > address space already allocated to IPv4 users, documented in RFC 3056 > (6to4). John, First, thank you for privately discussing 6to4's functionality with me. You were very helpful and informative. You are not alone in suggesting that 6to4 might suitably replace the Migration Incentive Space proposal, however 6to4 has several issues which would need to be addressed before it could be considered a valid alternative. I'd like to find if there is a consensus on ppml as to whether those issues should be addressed in 6to4. If they should, I'll start working on such a proposal with the intent that it replace the Migration Incentive Space proposal. If they should not, then I would ask that 6to4 be considered irrelevant to and dropped from the discussion. 6to4 Problem #1: Implementation of 6to4 is an optional component of the IPv6 protocol. Devices confronted with a 2002:: address may but need not recognize that packets to such a destination should be encapsulated in an IPv4 packet. The Migration Incentive Space proposal is intended to rely on only those components of IPv6 which are mandatory. 6to4 Problem #2: Its unclear whether the authors of RFC 3056 intended that it be possilble for prefixes within 2002:: to be announced into the global IPv6 BGP table so that all native IPv6 networks could reach such hosts without IPv4 encapsulation. Indeed, some parts of the document suggest that an available IPv6 route should NOT take priority over encapsulation. For 6to4 to reasonably replace the Migration Incentive Space, it would need to be clarified that ARIN encourages IPv4 holders to announce an appropriately selected 2002:: route, that remote IPv6 systems should give native IPv6 routes to 2002:: destinations priorirty over the encalsulated IPv4 route, and that ARIN intends such blocks within 2002:: to have the same validity as any other IPv6 block they assign or allocate. 6to4 Problem #3: Its unclear whether the authors of RFC 3056 intended that prefixes within 2002:: continue to exist in IPv4's post-exhaustion phase when IPv6 has become the dominant protocol. The Migration Incentive Space is intended to be a permanant solution whose addresses continue to see use after IPv4's end of life. 6to4 Problem #4: ARIN does not control the reverse DNS for 6to4 prefixes associated with the IPv4 blocks which ARIN manages. It is presently managed by the NRO, an organization in which ARIN participates (see https://6to4.nro.net/). The documentation for 6to4 reverse dns states that, "This password is not mandatory when the site is accessed from inside your 6to4 source address. It is intended to prevent an arbitrary access from locking out the domain if the address is not static. (It is recognized that this places far less trust than normal in the correctness of a 6to4 delegation)." For 6to4 to work as a replacement for the Migration Incentive Space, reverse DNS for the blocks under ARIN's authority would need to be operated with a degree of security and access comperable to what ARIN applies to its normal delegation of reverse DNS. So, the question I put to you and to the others who have suggested 6to4 is this: Do we seek changes and clarifications to address these four problems or do we drop 6to4 from consideration as an alternative to the Migration Incentive Space proposal? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004 _______________________________________________ This message sent to you through the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (PPML at arin.net). Manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ppml
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