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[ppml] Fw: IRS goes IPv6!

I would hope that no one questioned whether SITA, Arinc, and Inmarsat
were "service providers"!  Yes their networks and clients (airlines and
air traffic control providers) are still mostly OSI based, but they
probably cover more of the globe with their services than any but a
handful of ISP's.

And they are beginning to support IP as the aviation industry requires
it!

Take care
Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Golding [mailto:dgolding at burtongroup.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:35 PM
To: Stephen Sprunk; Rob Seastrom
Cc: PPML
Subject: Re: [ppml] Fw: IRS goes IPv6!

On 2/20/06 2:43 PM, "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen at sprunk.org> wrote:

> Thus spake "Robert E.Seastrom" <rs at seastrom.com>
>> "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen at sprunk.org> writes:
>>> Absent a comment from the author, a reasonable reading of the text
>>> gives the original intent not as "some small closed group of people
>>> know the org is an ISP" but rather "is known to the public as an
ISP".
>>> IRS-IT fails the latter.
>> 
>> Careful there, you're dangerously close to disenfranchising
>> organizations such as SITA and DISA by advocating that requirement.
> 
> Okay, perhaps "to the public" would be going a little too far, but
SITA is
> known as an carrier in the telecom world (though I didn't realize
they're an
> ISP too -- or is that Equant?), as is DISA.  DISA is certainly
well-known to
> ARIN and IANA, having received several /8s dating back to 1993, and
> similarly SITA has one from 1995.
> 
> Undoubtedly both could qualify under the "200 other organizations"
clause in
> any case, though, so it doesn't matter if they're "known".  Clearly,
both
> fit well as LIRs, probably better than as end-sites (which are the
current
> topic).
> 

This is almost like obscenity - "I know it when I see it". ARIN needs to
come up with a real definition for a service provider, or at least have
some
clear examples for their folks to use as a guideline.

Google?
Yahoo?
DISA?
SITA?
Walmart?
IBM?
EDS?

It makes my head hurt.


> S
> 
> Stephen Sprunk        "Stupid people surround themselves with smart
> CCIE #3723           people.  Smart people surround themselves with
> K5SSS         smart people who disagree with them."  --Aaron Sorkin
> 

- Dan

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