[ppml] Version think... was: alternative to 2005-1
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:08:32AM -0800, David Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:52:14PM +0000, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> > we -are- doing things - numbers are being assigned, wiht justifications
> > that meet -todays- operational demands. changing policy now to conform to
> > an ideal that does not exist now and may not exist for years seems
> > counter productive to me.
> Yes, numbers are being assigned. If you aren't a provider, though, you
> aren't getting any numbers except from a provider. I'm not a provider.
> I don't want to be locked in. If I put on my blinders and act very selfish,
> the current policy doesn't work. Ergo, policy must change.
> I simply want to see a reasonable PI policy for IPv6 created. I'm
> pretty flexible on the 'reasonable' part, too. At this point, I'm
> willing to compromise to the point where I won't qualify for space...if
> we need to do some sort of experiment with PI space to soothe the
> community's concerns, let's do it!
> The only course of action I find indefensible is to do nothing. This
> isn't an ideal of some future need. The need is here. (Actually, I'll
> back away from that. Ignoring the fact that we'll eventually run out
> of v4 space, I'm happy to stay in v4 and never have to deal with v6 at
> all. I just think that's an unwise step for my business.) If we ever
> want to see IPv6 take off in the ARIN region (it seems to be getting
> traction elsewhere), then we need to do something with PI space.
> Here's something I havem't seen in this thread yet: what are the other RIR's
> doing with PI space? Do they have policy regarding alloctions? Has there
> been a rush for it? Or are the other RIRs in the same boat as ARIN, and other
> regions are just more inclined towards dealing with PA space? (I admit to
> a highly US-centric view of how things are run.)
k... lets peek here:
) who can get space?
) how much can they get?
) what is everyone else doing?
is that about right?
presuming so, here are my personal answers ... folks who make policy
may have different ideas.
) i don't really know what "everyone else is doing" the ASO/AC should
and we have ARIN representation there. I'm sure they will chime in
at some point.
) how much? - either exactly what you need or just a little more.
ideally, this is what your peers are willing to accept from you.
) who? - everyone who asks. the artifical constraint of "provider" or
"ISP" is just that. In many cases its self-fullfilling .. e.g. if i have
addresses, i become a provider - QED. If you need space, ARIN ought to
be able to provide it to you. again, imho.