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[ppml] 2005-1 status

    To state the same posistion as Michael in a slightly differnt
mannor, to illustrate the sillyness of saying McDonalds or other
simmilarly large orginization should only receive a /48 or /47 if
they should get a PI assignment...

    If each individual McDonald's location/franchise went to
a single ISP or even multiple ISDs to get IPv6 space, then each
location/fanchise would in fact be assigned a /48.

   So, later lets say McDonalds the corperation decides they want
to provide newtworking services to all of their locations independent
of any other ISP/LIR. In my opinion... It is very silly to expect
the individual locations to settle for any less then they would have
previously been allowed to have if they'd gotten space from a ISP/LIR.

   In effect, McDonald's coperation would become a  ISP and should
not be treated as if they were a single 'end site'. As such, it is my
opinion that McDonalds coperation should be entitled to treating each
end every retail location as a seperate 'end site'.

   Glenn Wiltse

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com wrote:

>>> Secondly, according to the existing IPv6 policy, if McDonalds were to
>>> go to an ISP and ask for IPv6 connectivity for their network of 12,300
>>> restaurants, the ISP would assign them 12,300 /48 address blocks.
>>> That is the policy ...
>>
>> No, the current policy is that the LIR can assign a single /48 or
> forward
>> the request for more (with justification) to ARIN.
>>
>> You're confusing "end site" with "location".  According to the NRPM:
>>
>>         6.2.9. End site
>>
>>         An end site is defined as an end user (subscriber) [...]
>>
>> So, a single end user organization counts as one "end site" regardless
> of
>> the number of physical locations it has.
>
> Well, it seems like the policy needs more work to change
> this silliness. IPv6 addressing was intended to assign a
> /48 to a single end-site meaning more-or-less a single
> location. My apartment, your house, the Walgreen's store
> on the corner.
>
> RIPE has started to correct this with a policy proposal
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2005-4.html
> to clarify the wording.
>
> Let's face it, McDonald's Restaurants is never going to
> buy an IPv6 connection to the IPv6 Internet if they already
> have a private network connecting all the restaurants.
>
> We are not supposed to be scrimping and saving on IPv6
> address space by wringing our hands over whether or not
> a site DESERVES a /48.
>
> --Michael Dillon
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