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[ppml] "Recommended Practices" procedure

 Apr 24, 2006 at 05:46:28PM -0400, Jason Schiller (schiller at uu.net) wrote:
> I too was frustrated by the comments that "ARIN does not set routing
> policy".  

	arin has -never set routing policy for others because
	arin only runs its own routers.  i'm sure that if you
	could convince arin to run your routers, it would implement
	a routing policy for you. :)

> It can be very difficult to advise your company to do the right thing for
> the good of the Internet when it is counter to good business
> practices.  It is a little bit easier if one can hold up a "good IP
> stewardship policy" that most people are following.

	this is really passing the buck Jason.  Asking ARIN to 
	be your backstop instead of coming up with your own "good
	IP stewardship policy" is placing an unwanted burden on 
	ARIN.

> So should we re-charter ARIN to publish a non-binding "Routing Policy
> Guideline Manual (RPGM)"  or should we just fold this into the NRPM?

	i'd say neither...

> The other question is if this is the right forum?  and if not, then what
> is the right forum?  NANOG?  only joint ARIN/NANOG meetings?
> 
> Also, how does this relate to other regions?  I am told that RIPE
> discusses routing policy.  Should there be an NRO equilivent role with
> regard to global routing policy?  

	RIPE does ... but it also forces its members to do other things
	that ARIN members might find objectionable.  unclear what LACNIC,
	AFRNIC and APNIC do wrt enforcing routing policy...  but there
	does seem to be some interest in RIRs -signing- delegations.
	while this does not set the routing policy, it does disambiguate
	prefix origin.

> 
> 
> ___Jason
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> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> 
> > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:23:49 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Scott Leibrand <sleibrand at internap.com>
> > To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: [ppml] "Recommended Practices" procedure
> > 
> > On 04/14/06 at 11:41pm -0700, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > as we also discussed at the ARIN XVII meeting, it would be useful for
> > > > some group to define guidelines for assignment policy that would clarify
> > > > the issues you raise.  it seems that in ARIN policy is not the correct
> > > > place yet no other group comes to mind.  anyway, as a rough suggestion, I
> > > > would say that end sites should get 4 to 8 times as much address space
> > > > assigned as they think they might use using today's networking techniques.
> > > >
> > > Perhaps we need a BCP track within ARIN for number resource utilization.
> > > A process similar to, but, potentially a bit less formal than, the IRPEP
> > > which would be used to develop "Recommended Practices for Number Resource
> > > Allocation, Assignment, and Utilization".
> > 
> > I like this idea.
> > 
> > > I agree this doesn't belong in policy, but, I do think that ARIN might be
> > > the right body to coalesce such information, at least on a regional basis.
> > 
> > Perhaps we could use the existing policy process (or something similar and
> > parallel) to develop recommendations, though.  Have folks submit
> > "Recommendation Proposals", which could be run through the PPML and
> > presented at ARIN meetings.  Perhaps a lower standard of consensus would
> > be required for adoption...
> > 
> > -Scott
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