[ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The Ci dr Report

[Bill Darte]

Jon,

BCPs for BGP appearing on ARIN's website, you say. Well, it is possible that
if you forwarded some they might be posted....but then again who would
maintain them? Perhaps you know of a link to such?

I'm thinking that BCPs for the routing infrastructure sounds more like an
operational issue.  Is the educational effort you suggest not more
appropriate to NANOG than to ARIN?

Don't get me wrong.  I think that whenever ARIN can support educational
objectives that improve the Internet it would be great.  In fact, ARIN has
sponsored fundamental education with tutorials associated with BGP at its
twice yearly Public Policy and Membership Meetings.

Also, there was significant outreach from ARIN to identify education that
its stakeholders wanted and it was met with deafening silence...even when it
was quite widely know what effort was underway in other regions.  Should
ARIN allocate resources to such effort when there is no evidence that such
an investment would be valued by those that pay the bills?

Bill Darte
ARIN Advisory Council



On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Andrew Dul wrote:

> I was wondering if people in the ARIN region agreed with these
statements
> about the ARIN region not doing enough to educate the membership about
> deaggregation, BGP annoucements etc...
>
> If ARIN were to do more what would you suggest?
>
> 1. More/Better online training
> 2. Regional Training session (similar to RIPE?)

Whether or not ARIN actually did any training courses, it would be nice
to
see some info on BCPs for BGP routing in the training section of the
ARIN
web site rather than just "how to use whois" and "how to jump through
the
hoops to get IP space".

Too many networks deaggregate their announcements for no reason simply
because they don't realize there's any reason they shouldn't.

Covering things like route filtering (i.e. not leaking provider A's
routes
to provider B) would be nice.  Might even mention the use of routing
registries (radb, altdb, ARIN's own one, etc.).

To make a bad analogy, right now, ARIN's like a gun shop selling guns
with
no manuals and no safety literature.  Not everyone who's buying knows
how
to use them safely.

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