From cgrundemann at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:13:58 2014 From: cgrundemann at gmail.com (Chris Grundemann) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 02:13:58 +0800 Subject: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal In-Reply-To: <8335CAF4177E7A4CBC4670E5F9FA9B415EF4403C@CRC-Exchange02.corp.clearrate.net> References: <25e50d53d9274f489b3c73bc43599d7f@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> <8335CAF4177E7A4CBC4670E5F9FA9B415EF4403C@CRC-Exchange02.corp.clearrate.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Paul Timmins wrote: > > ________________________________________ > > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] on > behalf of Martin Hannigan [hannigan at gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:02 PM > > To: William Herrin > > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; arin-discuss at arin.net> > > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal > > > > > I would NOT support this for the board. ARIN benefits from the board's > > > continuity. > > > > If you really want change, term limit the Board and forget the AC. > > Do people really WANT change though? I think part of what helps the > community at large is the predictability of policy w/r/t number allocation. > > A neutral entity controlling allocation uniformly per a generally stable > policy provides a good regulatory environment for everyone, I'd think. > +1 NRPM stability is a good thing for both network operators and Internet users. Also, needed change seems to happen in the current frame work and I see no indication that "more" change is a good thing without looking at the specific changes. Which of course leads to the question: Perhaps some of those advocating for term limits actually seek a very specific change, or set of changes, that they believe they could achieve by taking over the AC after booting out those who have repeatedly shown that they will support the entire community rather than be bowled over by special interests? Hmmm... Food for thought, ~Chris > > -Paul > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Discuss > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > -- @ChrisGrundemann http://chrisgrundemann.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jesse at la-broadband.com Tue Apr 1 14:46:02 2014 From: jesse at la-broadband.com (Jesse Geddis) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:46:02 -0700 Subject: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <25e50d53d9274f489b3c73bc43599d7f@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> <8335CAF4177E7A4CBC4670E5F9FA9B415EF4403C@CRC-Exchange02.corp.clearrate.net> Message-ID: <5031830E-8DC0-4FCF-AE14-B3E4A6D020D8@la-broadband.com> Rotflol conspiracy theories abound. Completely ignoring the fact that the two folks to broached the topic are sitting AC members... Facts for thought... The policy changes I want to push I submit. Note the previous fee discussion, modelling, and resultant proposal. I can't speak for anyone else but that's my current priority and has nothing to do with the AC. I've made no secret, however, about slow start and initial allocation policies for ISP's being problematic. But haven't yet proposed a change. Jesse Geddis LA Broadband LLC > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote: > > > > >> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Paul Timmins wrote: >> > ________________________________________ >> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Martin Hannigan [hannigan at gmail.com] >> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:02 PM >> > To: William Herrin >> > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; arin-discuss at arin.net> >> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal >> > >> > > I would NOT support this for the board. ARIN benefits from the board's >> > > continuity. >> > >> > If you really want change, term limit the Board and forget the AC. >> >> Do people really WANT change though? I think part of what helps the community at large is the predictability of policy w/r/t number allocation. >> >> A neutral entity controlling allocation uniformly per a generally stable policy provides a good regulatory environment for everyone, I'd think. > > +1 > > NRPM stability is a good thing for both network operators and Internet users. > > Also, needed change seems to happen in the current frame work and I see no indication that "more" change is a good thing without looking at the specific changes. Which of course leads to the question: Perhaps some of those advocating for term limits actually seek a very specific change, or set of changes, that they believe they could achieve by taking over the AC after booting out those who have repeatedly shown that they will support the entire community rather than be bowled over by special interests? Hmmm... > > Food for thought, > ~Chris > > >> >> -Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Discuss >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss >> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > > -- > @ChrisGrundemann > http://chrisgrundemann.com > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-Discuss > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.sweeting at twcable.com Tue Apr 1 16:04:06 2014 From: john.sweeting at twcable.com (Sweeting, John) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:04:06 -0400 Subject: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal In-Reply-To: <5031830E-8DC0-4FCF-AE14-B3E4A6D020D8@la-broadband.com> References: <25e50d53d9274f489b3c73bc43599d7f@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> <8335CAF4177E7A4CBC4670E5F9FA9B415EF4403C@CRC-Exchange02.corp.clearrate.net> <5031830E-8DC0-4FCF-AE14-B3E4A6D020D8@la-broadband.com> Message-ID: Jesse Not sure who else you are referring to but Chris is not a sitting AC member. Thanks John Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:48 AM, "Jesse Geddis" > wrote: Rotflol conspiracy theories abound. Completely ignoring the fact that the two folks to broached the topic are sitting AC members... Facts for thought... The policy changes I want to push I submit. Note the previous fee discussion, modelling, and resultant proposal. I can't speak for anyone else but that's my current priority and has nothing to do with the AC. I've made no secret, however, about slow start and initial allocation policies for ISP's being problematic. But haven't yet proposed a change. Jesse Geddis LA Broadband LLC On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Chris Grundemann > wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Paul Timmins > wrote: > ________________________________________ > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Martin Hannigan [hannigan at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:02 PM > To: William Herrin > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; arin-discuss at arin.net> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal > > > I would NOT support this for the board. ARIN benefits from the board's > > continuity. > > If you really want change, term limit the Board and forget the AC. Do people really WANT change though? I think part of what helps the community at large is the predictability of policy w/r/t number allocation. A neutral entity controlling allocation uniformly per a generally stable policy provides a good regulatory environment for everyone, I'd think. +1 NRPM stability is a good thing for both network operators and Internet users. Also, needed change seems to happen in the current frame work and I see no indication that "more" change is a good thing without looking at the specific changes. Which of course leads to the question: Perhaps some of those advocating for term limits actually seek a very specific change, or set of changes, that they believe they could achieve by taking over the AC after booting out those who have repeatedly shown that they will support the entire community rather than be bowled over by special interests? Hmmm... Food for thought, ~Chris -Paul _______________________________________________ ARIN-Discuss You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -- @ChrisGrundemann http://chrisgrundemann.com _______________________________________________ ARIN-Discuss You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ ARIN-Discuss You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). 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URL: From jesse at la-broadband.com Tue Apr 1 16:35:30 2014 From: jesse at la-broadband.com (Jesse Geddis) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:35:30 -0700 Subject: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <25e50d53d9274f489b3c73bc43599d7f@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> <8335CAF4177E7A4CBC4670E5F9FA9B415EF4403C@CRC-Exchange02.corp.clearrate.net> <5031830E-8DC0-4FCF-AE14-B3E4A6D020D8@la-broadband.com> Message-ID: John, Honestly I shouldn't have bothered responding to his email as it was clearly just meant to be a diversion. However: Chris opposes it so it clearly wasn't in reference too him... Marla brought it to the list (was on the AC 2005-2010) Scott seconded it (is on the AC) To my knowledge, neither Marla or Scott (or the multitude of others who have voiced support) have mentioned or given any indication of any involvement in a surreptitious ARIN coup, government or corporate espionage, foreign governmental plots, or arms for hostages plots.... I think we've pretty well exhausted this topic at this point and now are wading deep into Crazy Town. I understand the suggestion has been officially made. Mr. Curran, is there anything further ARIN needs from the membership on the matter? ------------------- Jesse Geddis LA Broadband > On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:04 PM, "Sweeting, John" wrote: > > Jesse > > Not sure who else you are referring to but Chris is not a sitting AC member. > > Thanks > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:48 AM, "Jesse Geddis" wrote: > >> Rotflol conspiracy theories abound. Completely ignoring the fact that the two folks to broached the topic are sitting AC members... >> >> Facts for thought... >> >> The policy changes I want to push I submit. Note the previous fee discussion, modelling, and resultant proposal. I can't speak for anyone else but that's my current priority and has nothing to do with the AC. I've made no secret, however, about slow start and initial allocation policies for ISP's being problematic. But haven't yet proposed a change. >> >> Jesse Geddis >> LA Broadband LLC >> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Paul Timmins wrote: >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Martin Hannigan [hannigan at gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:02 PM >>>> > To: William Herrin >>>> > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; arin-discuss at arin.net> >>>> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal >>>> > >>>> > > I would NOT support this for the board. ARIN benefits from the board's >>>> > > continuity. >>>> > >>>> > If you really want change, term limit the Board and forget the AC. >>>> >>>> Do people really WANT change though? I think part of what helps the community at large is the predictability of policy w/r/t number allocation. >>>> >>>> A neutral entity controlling allocation uniformly per a generally stable policy provides a good regulatory environment for everyone, I'd think. >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> NRPM stability is a good thing for both network operators and Internet users. >>> >>> Also, needed change seems to happen in the current frame work and I see no indication that "more" change is a good thing without looking at the specific changes. Which of course leads to the question: Perhaps some of those advocating for term limits actually seek a very specific change, or set of changes, that they believe they could achieve by taking over the AC after booting out those who have repeatedly shown that they will support the entire community rather than be bowled over by special interests? Hmmm... >>> >>> Food for thought, >>> ~Chris >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -Paul >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARIN-Discuss >>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>> the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). >>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss >>>> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> @ChrisGrundemann >>> http://chrisgrundemann.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-Discuss >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss >>> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-Discuss >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss >> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. > > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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URL: From john.sweeting at twcable.com Tue Apr 1 17:48:17 2014 From: john.sweeting at twcable.com (Sweeting, John) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 17:48:17 -0400 Subject: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <25e50d53d9274f489b3c73bc43599d7f@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> <8335CAF4177E7A4CBC4670E5F9FA9B415EF4403C@CRC-Exchange02.corp.clearrate.net> <5031830E-8DC0-4FCF-AE14-B3E4A6D020D8@la-broadband.com> Message-ID: Cool, thanks for the clarification Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:35 PM, "Jesse Geddis" > wrote: John, Honestly I shouldn't have bothered responding to his email as it was clearly just meant to be a diversion. However: Chris opposes it so it clearly wasn't in reference too him... Marla brought it to the list (was on the AC 2005-2010) Scott seconded it (is on the AC) To my knowledge, neither Marla or Scott (or the multitude of others who have voiced support) have mentioned or given any indication of any involvement in a surreptitious ARIN coup, government or corporate espionage, foreign governmental plots, or arms for hostages plots.... I think we've pretty well exhausted this topic at this point and now are wading deep into Crazy Town. I understand the suggestion has been officially made. Mr. Curran, is there anything further ARIN needs from the membership on the matter? ------------------- Jesse Geddis LA Broadband On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:04 PM, "Sweeting, John" > wrote: Jesse Not sure who else you are referring to but Chris is not a sitting AC member. Thanks John Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:48 AM, "Jesse Geddis" > wrote: Rotflol conspiracy theories abound. Completely ignoring the fact that the two folks to broached the topic are sitting AC members... Facts for thought... The policy changes I want to push I submit. Note the previous fee discussion, modelling, and resultant proposal. I can't speak for anyone else but that's my current priority and has nothing to do with the AC. I've made no secret, however, about slow start and initial allocation policies for ISP's being problematic. But haven't yet proposed a change. Jesse Geddis LA Broadband LLC On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Chris Grundemann > wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Paul Timmins > wrote: > ________________________________________ > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Martin Hannigan [hannigan at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:02 PM > To: William Herrin > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; arin-discuss at arin.net> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal > > > I would NOT support this for the board. ARIN benefits from the board's > > continuity. > > If you really want change, term limit the Board and forget the AC. Do people really WANT change though? I think part of what helps the community at large is the predictability of policy w/r/t number allocation. A neutral entity controlling allocation uniformly per a generally stable policy provides a good regulatory environment for everyone, I'd think. +1 NRPM stability is a good thing for both network operators and Internet users. Also, needed change seems to happen in the current frame work and I see no indication that "more" change is a good thing without looking at the specific changes. Which of course leads to the question: Perhaps some of those advocating for term limits actually seek a very specific change, or set of changes, that they believe they could achieve by taking over the AC after booting out those who have repeatedly shown that they will support the entire community rather than be bowled over by special interests? Hmmm... Food for thought, ~Chris -Paul _______________________________________________ ARIN-Discuss You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net). 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URL: From hannigan at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 22:45:09 2014 From: hannigan at gmail.com (Martin Hannigan) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 22:45:09 -0400 Subject: [arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <25e50d53d9274f489b3c73bc43599d7f@BY2PR06MB488.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:21 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> >> > Change for change's sake is rarely for the better. Stability is > > Agreed. > >> >> > usually a good thing. I don't see rotating out AC members having a >> > negative impact on ARIN's overall stability. Frequent turnover on the >> > board, however... > > > I believe "term limits" to the AC currently to be a solution in search of a > problem. Good for you. [ clip ] >> As far as term limits go, there are a multitude of organizations that >> use them and suffer little from it including federal, state and >> municipal governments, non profts like the Appalachian Mountain Club, >> NANOG, and many others. > > > These are much larger entities. There are a large number of people who > could serve on the board of a non-profit or governmental entity. > There are few who are even sufficiently familiar with the NRPM and technical > issues surrounding IP addressing policy to do the AC's job.. > What does that have to do with operating an open and transparent framework for all of us to do the work? Zip. [ clip ] > They are not ARIN. Many governmental, commercial, and non-profit > organizations take on their activities in a manner that would not > necessarily be appropriate for ARIN. > As tasty as red-herrings are, they're usually obvious. -M< From marty at akamai.com Tue Apr 1 22:54:15 2014 From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 22:54:15 -0400 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> Message-ID: -consult John, Is arin-consult a members only list? Best, -M< On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:52 PM, John Curran wrote: > On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > >> >> ARIN? How many subscribers are on this list anyhow? > > Apologies for the late reply: > > 227 Total list Members; 39 of which would be considered > ARIN staff/Board/AC members or other RIR staff > > Thanks! > /John > > From jcurran at arin.net Tue Apr 1 23:20:11 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 03:20:11 +0000 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > Is arin-consult a members only list? Arin-consult is open to the general public and used to support the ARIN ACSP process. Per - " Open to the general public. Used in conjunction with the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP) to gather comments, this is open for comments on any active consultation or suggestion. For those who would like to submit suggestions to ARIN, please review the ACSP and submit questions using the ACSP Suggestion Form. " Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN From marty at akamai.com Tue Apr 1 23:30:24 2014 From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 23:30:24 -0400 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> Message-ID: <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:20 PM, John Curran wrote: > On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > >> Is arin-consult a members only list? > > Arin-consult is open to the general public and used to support the > ARIN ACSP process. Per - > > " > Open to the general public. Used in conjunction with the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP) to gather comments, this is open for comments on any active consultation or suggestion. For those who would like to submit suggestions to ARIN, please review the ACSP and submit questions using the ACSP Suggestion Form. > " > I would think that topics that affect the fee structure of the members would be open only to the members. Having the general public drive the costs of the engineering functions of ARIN seems off. We clearly must have the policy process and procedures open, but driving the operations of ARIN should be a member matter since costs impact our fees. And our fees are high. .02 Best, -M< From jcurran at arin.net Tue Apr 1 23:39:03 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 03:39:03 +0000 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> Message-ID: <19BF8FBF-D5AA-4B33-BA46-E6EA3EFB1FDC@arin.net> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:20 PM, John Curran wrote: > >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> >>> Is arin-consult a members only list? >> >> Arin-consult is open to the general public and used to support the >> ARIN ACSP process. Per - >> >> " >> Open to the general public. Used in conjunction with the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP) to gather comments, this is open for comments on any active consultation or suggestion. For those who would like to submit suggestions to ARIN, please review the ACSP and submit questions using the ACSP Suggestion Form. >> " >> > > I would think that topics that affect the fee structure of the members would be open only to the members. Having the general public drive the costs of the engineering functions of ARIN seems off. We clearly must have the policy process and procedures open, but driving the operations of ARIN should be a member matter since costs impact our fees. And our fees are high. ARIN-discuss is a forum for the member community to discuss ARIN-specific issues such as fee structures and internal policies; it is pen to ARIN members, employees of ARIN member organizations, ARIN Board of Trustees, and ARIN Advisory Council members. Thanks! /John From marty at akamai.com Wed Apr 2 00:00:44 2014 From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 00:00:44 -0400 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: <19BF8FBF-D5AA-4B33-BA46-E6EA3EFB1FDC@arin.net> References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> <19BF8FBF-D5AA-4B33-BA46-E6EA3EFB1FDC@arin.net> Message-ID: <74686767-6AA2-45EB-A29D-024351A5EC78@akamai.com> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:39 PM, John Curran wrote: > On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > >> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:20 PM, John Curran wrote: >> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >>> >>>> Is arin-consult a members only list? >>> >>> Arin-consult is open to the general public and used to support the >>> ARIN ACSP process. Per - >>> >>> " >>> Open to the general public. Used in conjunction with the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP) to gather comments, this is open for comments on any active consultation or suggestion. For those who would like to submit suggestions to ARIN, please review the ACSP and submit questions using the ACSP Suggestion Form. >>> " >>> >> >> I would think that topics that affect the fee structure of the members would be open only to the members. Having the general public drive the costs of the engineering functions of ARIN seems off. We clearly must have the policy process and procedures open, but driving the operations of ARIN should be a member matter since costs impact our fees. And our fees are high. > > ARIN-discuss is a forum for the member community to discuss ARIN-specific issues > such as fee structures and internal policies; it is pen to ARIN members, employees > of ARIN member organizations, ARIN Board of Trustees, and ARIN Advisory Council > members. > We're not talking about -discuss. We're talking about the suggestion process and list and non members directing the organizations costs that are financed by paying members. -M< From owen at delong.com Wed Apr 2 00:14:30 2014 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:14:30 -0700 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> Message-ID: <2B880341-C8A6-409A-BE07-23578CA77401@delong.com> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:20 PM, John Curran wrote: > >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> >>> Is arin-consult a members only list? >> >> Arin-consult is open to the general public and used to support the >> ARIN ACSP process. Per - >> >> " >> Open to the general public. Used in conjunction with the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process (ACSP) to gather comments, this is open for comments on any active consultation or suggestion. For those who would like to submit suggestions to ARIN, please review the ACSP and submit questions using the ACSP Suggestion Form. >> " >> > > I would think that topics that affect the fee structure of the members would be open only to the members. Having the general public drive the costs of the engineering functions of ARIN seems off. We clearly must have the policy process and procedures open, but driving the operations of ARIN should be a member matter since costs impact our fees. And our fees are high. Members are not the only ones who pay ARIN fees. Owen From jcurran at arin.net Wed Apr 2 00:50:53 2014 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 04:50:53 +0000 Subject: [arin-discuss] [ARIN-consult] Comments on current suggestions In-Reply-To: <74686767-6AA2-45EB-A29D-024351A5EC78@akamai.com> References: <9D839A32-C5F5-42AE-8048-92240AE591A4@akamai.com> <34BCB267-378A-4C58-B806-0336510AAFD4@corp.arin.net> <29906FD3-66DD-41E7-A57B-ED5047D122F5@akamai.com> <19BF8FBF-D5AA-4B33-BA46-E6EA3EFB1FDC@arin.net> <74686767-6AA2-45EB-A29D-024351A5EC78@akamai.com> Message-ID: <224C7301-BE5E-43AB-8826-9816D7E1CBD5@arin.net> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > We're not talking about -discuss. We're talking about the suggestion process and list and non members directing the organizations costs that are financed by paying members. Martin - As the President and CEO, I am the one who ultimately has to figure out what ARIN does (and does not do) within the budget framework which is established by the ARIN Board of Trustees. As a result, you may consider the open mailing list arin-consult to be simply a feedback mechanism that is utilized by the staff to gain more insight into possible benefits and concerns with potential suggestions, it is not directing the outcomes in any manner. Note also that some of the suggestions do have potential impact on the Internet community beyond just ARIN's membership, so having a way of receiving feedback from the entire Internet community is quite appropriate. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN From spiffnolee at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 07:07:15 2014 From: spiffnolee at yahoo.com (Lee Howard) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 04:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [arin-discuss] Fw: [arin-announce] Security Announcement In-Reply-To: <534DA13F.5070905@arin.net> References: <534DA13F.5070905@arin.net> Message-ID: <1397646435.97434.YahooMailNeo@web160803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thank you for verifying. > 3) Enable CRL and OCSP checking I looked at www.arin.net, and saw certs.starfieldtech.com as the CA. I did not find a AAAA for that server, or for crl.starfieldtech.com I don't know of a CA that supports IPv6 for CRL or OCSP.? It would be nice if I could check the CRL on my IPv6-only connection as I try to access ARIN online. Lee ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: ARIN To: arin-announce at arin.net Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:14 PM Subject: [arin-announce] Security Announcement ARIN is committed to the highest level of security for our production environment and safeguarding our customers? data. We are sure you are aware that there has been a serious vulnerability with the underlying SSL encryption technology that is widely used by both the industry and at ARIN. This bug has been widely reported and called "Heartbleed". http://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/current-activity/2014/04/08/OpenSSL-Heartbleed-Vulnerability ARIN has investigated all of its systems and made the appropriate corrections to reduce vulnerabilities; in this process we did not discover any evidence of issues due to Heartbleed. At this time we have no indication to suggest that any ARIN system or customer account was compromised. However, because of the complexity of this vulnerability, ARIN recommends that: 1) ARIN Online users change their passwords of their user accounts 2) Create new API keys and deactivate their existing API keys. 3) Enable CRL and OCSP checking within your tools that interact with SSL encryption to ensure you are connecting to the correct site. Please contact hostmaster at arin.net if you have any questions. Regards, Mark Kosters Chief Technology Officer American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: