From jcurran at arin.net  Sat Sep  1 08:46:05 2012
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:46:05 +0000
Subject: [arin-discuss] Nominations needed for ARIN Board and ARIN AC
Message-ID: <6B1988FB-8E0B-408C-A243-D3C03AAA01C0@corp.arin.net>

Folks - 

Per ARIN Bylaws <https://www.arin.net/about_us/corp_docs/bylaws.html> 
regarding Elections for the ARIN Board and ARIN AC, it specifies:

"The number of qualified Candidates for each body shall exceed the 
 number of open positions. "

It is indeterminate whether we have sufficient nominations at this time 
as necessary for the ballot, and hence all members should consider whether 
they are aware of anyone who could serve ably in these capacities.  Details 
on nominating candidates is attached - Note that the deadline for making 
nominations is 17:00 ET on Tuesday, 4 September 2012.

Thank you!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

> From: ARIN <info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net>>
> Subject: [arin-announce] Seeking Nominations: Board, AC, and NRO NC
> Date: August 28, 2012 11:23:24 AM EDT
> To: <arin-announce at arin.net<mailto:arin-announce at arin.net>>
> 
> General Members in good standing are invited to nominate candidates for two (2) seats on the Board of Trustees (Board), five (5) seats on the Advisory Council (AC), and one (1) seat on the Number Resource Organization (NRO) Number Council that become open when current terms expire on 31 December 2012.
> 
> The Board of Trustees and Advisory Council elections have a Nomination Committee (NomCom) that is responsible for identifying, recruiting, and certifying a properly selected slate of candidates to be placed in nomination before the membership for election. This year's NomCom members are: Board of Trustee members Timothy Denton and Scott Bradner, Advisory Council members Chris Grundemann and Kevin Blumberg, and general member volunteers Stephen Middleton, Justin Clutter, and Peter Rocca. Timothy Denton is serving as NomCom Chair.
> 
> New Board and Advisory Council terms begin 1 January 2013. Board members Paul Andersen and Scott Bradner, and Advisory Council representatives Stacy Hughes, Chris Morrow, Bill Sandiford, Robert Seastrom, and Heather Schiller will conclude their current terms on 31 December 2012. Louie Lee?s seat for the NRO NC also becomes open this year. Incumbents may be re-elected for consecutive terms.
> 
> Please note:
> 
> 1. You must be a Trustee or an ARIN General Member in good standing to make nominations for the Board and AC. However, those nominated do not need to be ARIN members. Self-nominations from General Members in good standing are permitted. Any individual, regardless of ARIN membership status, may nominate one or more candidates for any open NRO Number Council position. Please review the nomination instructions at:
> https://www.arin.net/participate/elections/instructions.html#nominate
> 
> 2. All nominees must confirm that they qualify to serve and do not violate the Nomination and Appointment Conflict of Interest List at:
> https://www.arin.net/participate/elections/conflicts.html
> 
> 3. Nominations must be received by 17:00 ET on Tuesday, 4 September 2012. In accordance with ARIN's Bylaws, each Trustee or General Member in good standing may make up to three nominations for each open seat for the Board and AC.
> 4.  Each nominee must submit the relevant nominee questionnaire by 6 September in order to run for a position they are available at:
> Board and AC:
> https://www.arin.net/participate/elections/elec_procedures.html#botcv
> NRO NC:
> https://www.arin.net/participate/elections/nronumbercouncil.html#nccv
> If you are interested in nominating yourself or any other individual to become a member of the Board, AC, or NRO NC, visit ARIN Election Headquarters to fill out the nomination form:
> https://www.arin.net/app/election/
> ARIN will contact all nominees via email and/or telephone to verify that they are willing and able to fulfill a three-year term. If ARIN cannot reach the nominee, the nomination will be rejected.
> 
> You may view the initial requirements and responsibilities of Board Members at:
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot_requirements.html
> The Advisory Council requirements and responsibilities are available at:
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/ac_requirements.html
> The NRO NC requirements and responsibilities can be viewed at:
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/nronc_requirements.html
> Visit Election Headquarters to view the qualifications for Board of Trustees and Advisory Council positions and for further information regarding the election process and timeline.
> 
> Now is also a good time for member organizations to check to make certain that they have a Designated Member Representative (DMR) eligible to vote in the upcoming election. Direct any questions to info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net>.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)




From mike at mathbox.com  Thu Sep  6 19:42:10 2012
From: mike at mathbox.com (Michael Thomas)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:42:10 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079
Message-ID: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>

Hi,

Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now 
sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 
198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This 
results in the messages being blocked.

Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079

Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared 
away?

-- 
Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-687-3300
Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)



From manish at slash20.com  Thu Sep  6 20:00:26 2012
From: manish at slash20.com (Manish)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 19:00:26 -0500
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
 SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
Message-ID: <44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>

Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.

Manish


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079

Hi,

Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.

Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079

Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?

--
Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-687-3300
Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)

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From morrowc.lists at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 22:46:05 2012
From: morrowc.lists at gmail.com (Christopher Morrow)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:46:05 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>

huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079
>
> Hi,
>
> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>

198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.

198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages
from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading
ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so
probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address
range anyway.

got headers?

> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>
> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>
> --
> Michael Thomas
> Mathbox
> 978-687-3300
> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From morrowc.lists at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 22:47:27 2012
From: morrowc.lists at gmail.com (Christopher Morrow)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:47:27 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
	<CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL9jLaYW1pJsrGWfcpqfq=kPgVH2iT42VnNsBMppzotfunJ4iA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Christopher Morrow
<morrowc.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
>> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>>
>
> huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>>
>
> 198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.
>
> 198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages

oops, apologies, I misread whois :) in any case, it appaers to be
verizon space as well (though still not announced)... so, headers?

> from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading
> ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so
> probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address
> range anyway.
>
> got headers?
>
>> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>>
>> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Thomas
>> Mathbox
>> 978-687-3300
>> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From mike at mathbox.com  Thu Sep  6 22:54:53 2012
From: mike at mathbox.com (Michael Thomas)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:54:53 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
	<CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <504961FD.1@mathbox.com>

Hi,

Arin WhoIS says


NetRange

198.181.64.0 - 198.181.113.255



CIDR

198.181.112.0/23
198.181.96.0/20
198.181.64.0/19




Name

NETBLK-ENTERPRISE-WAN



Handle

NET-198-181-64-0-1



Parent

NET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)



Net Type

Direct Assignment



Origin AS




Organization

New York Telephone (NYT)



Registration Date

1993-12-02



Last Updated

1993-12-02



Comments




RESTful Link

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-181-64-0-1



See Also

Related organization's POC records.



See Also

Related delegations.


Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-687-3300
Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)

On 9/6/2012 10:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
>> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>>
>
> huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>>
>
> 198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.
>
> 198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages
> from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading
> ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so
> probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address
> range anyway.
>
> got headers?
>
>> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>>
>> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Thomas
>> Mathbox
>> 978-687-3300
>> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ARIN-Discuss
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From heather.schiller at verizon.com  Thu Sep  6 23:37:14 2012
From: heather.schiller at verizon.com (Schiller, Heather A)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:37:14 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on
	SpamHaus	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <504961FD.1@mathbox.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
	<CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
	<504961FD.1@mathbox.com>
Message-ID: <B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BE2@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>



Headers/logs/complaints to abuse at verizon.com please.  Arin-discuss is for discussion of arin-specific issues, such as fees. 

 --Heather

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Heather Schiller
Network Security - Verizon Business
1.800.900.0241    security at verizonbusiness.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:55 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079

Hi,

Arin WhoIS says


NetRange

198.181.64.0 - 198.181.113.255



CIDR

198.181.112.0/23
198.181.96.0/20
198.181.64.0/19




Name

NETBLK-ENTERPRISE-WAN



Handle

NET-198-181-64-0-1



Parent

NET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)



Net Type

Direct Assignment



Origin AS




Organization

New York Telephone (NYT)



Registration Date

1993-12-02



Last Updated

1993-12-02



Comments




RESTful Link

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-181-64-0-1



See Also

Related organization's POC records.



See Also

Related delegations.


Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-687-3300
Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)

On 9/6/2012 10:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
>> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>>
>
> huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus 
>> SBL106079
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>>
>
> 198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.
>
> 198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages 
> from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading 
> ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so 
> probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address 
> range anyway.
>
> got headers?
>
>> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>>
>> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Thomas
>> Mathbox
>> 978-687-3300
>> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ARIN-Discuss
>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net).
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From jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net  Thu Sep  6 23:40:01 2012
From: jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net (Jeffrey Lyon)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:40:01 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BE2@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
	<CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
	<504961FD.1@mathbox.com>
	<B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BE2@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>
Message-ID: <CACrmG8cnCcg0_-k7tr7ZBTx9xuMZ+uJkK886SVhjwp7b5qCjEg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Schiller, Heather A
<heather.schiller at verizon.com> wrote:
>
>
> Headers/logs/complaints to abuse at verizon.com please.  Arin-discuss is for discussion of arin-specific issues, such as fees.
>
>  --Heather
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> Heather Schiller
> Network Security - Verizon Business
> 1.800.900.0241    security at verizonbusiness.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:55 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079
>
> Hi,
>
> Arin WhoIS says
>
>
> NetRange
>
> 198.181.64.0 - 198.181.113.255
>
>
>
> CIDR
>
> 198.181.112.0/23
> 198.181.96.0/20
> 198.181.64.0/19
>
>
>
>
> Name
>
> NETBLK-ENTERPRISE-WAN
>
>
>
> Handle
>
> NET-198-181-64-0-1
>
>
>
> Parent
>
> NET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)
>
>
>
> Net Type
>
> Direct Assignment
>
>
>
> Origin AS
>
>
>
>
> Organization
>
> New York Telephone (NYT)
>
>
>
> Registration Date
>
> 1993-12-02
>
>
>
> Last Updated
>
> 1993-12-02
>
>
>
> Comments
>
>
>
>
> RESTful Link
>
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-181-64-0-1
>
>
>
> See Also
>
> Related organization's POC records.
>
>
>
> See Also
>
> Related delegations.
>
>
> Michael Thomas
> Mathbox
> 978-687-3300
> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>
> On 9/6/2012 10:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
>>> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>>>
>>
>> huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
>>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
>>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
>>> SBL106079
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>>>
>>
>> 198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.
>>
>> 198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages
>> from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading
>> ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so
>> probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address
>> range anyway.
>>
>> got headers?
>>
>>> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>>>
>>> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Thomas
>>> Mathbox
>>> 978-687-3300
>>> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ARIN-Discuss
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>>
>
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If this were NANOG, everyone would be screaming and cursing about how
Verizon is a worthless spammer company.

-- 
Jeffrey A. Lyon, CISSP
President, Black Lotus Communications
mobile: (757) 304-0668 | gtalk: jeffrey.lyon at gmail.com | skype: blacklotus.net


From mike at mathbox.com  Thu Sep  6 23:55:09 2012
From: mike at mathbox.com (Michael Thomas)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:55:09 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BE2@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
	<CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
	<504961FD.1@mathbox.com>
	<B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BE2@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>
Message-ID: <5049701D.20402@mathbox.com>

Ahh shucks. I sort of expected a "Thanks for the note. I will respond of 
list."

Sorry. I was looking for a useful contact. Not instructions on the 
purpose of the list.

Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-687-3300
Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)

On 9/6/2012 11:37 PM, Schiller, Heather A wrote:
>
>
> Headers/logs/complaints to abuse at verizon.com please.  Arin-discuss is for discussion of arin-specific issues, such as fees.
>
>   --Heather
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> Heather Schiller
> Network Security - Verizon Business
> 1.800.900.0241    security at verizonbusiness.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:55 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079
>
> Hi,
>
> Arin WhoIS says
>
>
> NetRange
>
> 198.181.64.0 - 198.181.113.255
>
>
>
> CIDR
>
> 198.181.112.0/23
> 198.181.96.0/20
> 198.181.64.0/19
>
>
>
>
> Name
>
> NETBLK-ENTERPRISE-WAN
>
>
>
> Handle
>
> NET-198-181-64-0-1
>
>
>
> Parent
>
> NET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)
>
>
>
> Net Type
>
> Direct Assignment
>
>
>
> Origin AS
>
>
>
>
> Organization
>
> New York Telephone (NYT)
>
>
>
> Registration Date
>
> 1993-12-02
>
>
>
> Last Updated
>
> 1993-12-02
>
>
>
> Comments
>
>
>
>
> RESTful Link
>
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-181-64-0-1
>
>
>
> See Also
>
> Related organization's POC records.
>
>
>
> See Also
>
> Related delegations.
>
>
> Michael Thomas
> Mathbox
> 978-687-3300
> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>
> On 9/6/2012 10:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
>>> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>>>
>>
>> huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
>>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
>>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
>>> SBL106079
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>>>
>>
>> 198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.
>>
>> 198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages
>> from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading
>> ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so
>> probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address
>> range anyway.
>>
>> got headers?
>>
>>> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>>>
>>> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Thomas
>>> Mathbox
>>> 978-687-3300
>>> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ARIN-Discuss
>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net).
>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
>>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net).
>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
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>>> Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Discuss
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>



From heather.schiller at verizon.com  Fri Sep  7 00:18:47 2012
From: heather.schiller at verizon.com (Schiller, Heather A)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:18:47 -0400
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on
	SpamHaus	SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <5049701D.20402@mathbox.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
	<CAL9jLaYC712YUdyDviBHyNZNZ6ihjNX+0j8GevhCVaMa_52Ejw@mail.gmail.com>
	<504961FD.1@mathbox.com>
	<B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BE2@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>
	<5049701D.20402@mathbox.com>
Message-ID: <B9EBD2474913AD4A995B8C7B8BEF8C0E15949D7BEC@FHDP1LUMXC7V43.us.one.verizon.com>


There are far better lists for throwing darts to find a contact.  Spamming an ARIN list for this is way off topic for the list, Nanog less so.  You lucked out and I happen to work in Verizon's security department.  I'm probably a useful contact, but I still can't do anything without more info and it's really best to have this kind of work documented in a ticket, started by the person who has the complaint.  It gives me something to point to and say "this is why I'm doing xyz" or "hey bob, you really need to fix xyz".  Abuse@ is actually a useful contact, real live people do read those tickets.  So if you've already opened a ticket, send me a note off list with the ticket number and I'll see what I can do to help.

--Heather

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Heather Schiller
Network Security - Verizon Business
1.800.900.0241    security at verizonbusiness.com

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:55 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus SBL106079

Ahh shucks. I sort of expected a "Thanks for the note. I will respond of list."

Sorry. I was looking for a useful contact. Not instructions on the purpose of the list.

Michael Thomas
Mathbox
978-687-3300
Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)

On 9/6/2012 11:37 PM, Schiller, Heather A wrote:
>
>
> Headers/logs/complaints to abuse at verizon.com please.  Arin-discuss is for discussion of arin-specific issues, such as fees.
>
>   --Heather
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> Heather Schiller
> Network Security - Verizon Business
> 1.800.900.0241    security at verizonbusiness.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:55 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus 
> SBL106079
>
> Hi,
>
> Arin WhoIS says
>
>
> NetRange
>
> 198.181.64.0 - 198.181.113.255
>
>
>
> CIDR
>
> 198.181.112.0/23
> 198.181.96.0/20
> 198.181.64.0/19
>
>
>
>
> Name
>
> NETBLK-ENTERPRISE-WAN
>
>
>
> Handle
>
> NET-198-181-64-0-1
>
>
>
> Parent
>
> NET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)
>
>
>
> Net Type
>
> Direct Assignment
>
>
>
> Origin AS
>
>
>
>
> Organization
>
> New York Telephone (NYT)
>
>
>
> Registration Date
>
> 1993-12-02
>
>
>
> Last Updated
>
> 1993-12-02
>
>
>
> Comments
>
>
>
>
> RESTful Link
>
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-181-64-0-1
>
>
>
> See Also
>
> Related organization's POC records.
>
>
>
> See Also
>
> Related delegations.
>
>
> Michael Thomas
> Mathbox
> 978-687-3300
> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>
> On 9/6/2012 10:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Manish <manish at slash20.com> wrote:
>>> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.
>>>
>>
>> huh? also, why did the OP CC abuse at verizon ?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:42 PM
>>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net; abuse at verizon.com; abuse at verizon.net
>>> Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
>>> SBL106079
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
>>>
>>
>> 198.23.0.0 -> 198.23.25.255 is verizon's space...a legacy allocation no less.
>>
>> 198.181.64.0/19 is iana-reserved, if verizon is spitting out messages 
>> from this that really is an error, and... i suspect, from reading 
>> ris.ripe.net output, the prefix hasn't been externally visible so 
>> probably the mail didn't actually get to you from that ip address 
>> range anyway.
>>
>> got headers?
>>
>>> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
>>>
>>> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Thomas
>>> Mathbox
>>> 978-687-3300
>>> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ARIN-Discuss
>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (ARIN-discuss at arin.net).
>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
>>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Discuss
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From jcurran at arin.net  Fri Sep  7 02:25:11 2012
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 06:25:11 +0000
Subject: [arin-discuss] ARIN Discuss Mailing List Usage
In-Reply-To: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
Message-ID: <FC9761F9-1DA2-49BF-9CD7-B6A87DA27EAC@corp.arin.net>

Michael - 

>From <https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/index.html>, the 
description of ARIN-Discuss Mailing List reads as follows: 

   "Provides a forum for the member community to discuss ARIN-specific issues such as fee structures and internal policies."

Please insure that your usage comports with this purpose.

Thank you,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Michael Thomas <mike at mathbox.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Verizon was sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.23.16.16 is now sending Call Notifications from IP like 198.181.94.192 within the block 198.181.64.0/19, which is black listed by SpamHaus in SBL106079. This results in the messages being blocked.
> 
> Reference page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL106079
> 
> Is there anyone from Verizon on this list that can help get this squared away?
> 
> -- 
> Michael Thomas
> Mathbox
> 978-687-3300
> Toll Free: 1-877-MATHBOX (1-877-628-4269)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ARIN-Discuss
> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to
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From drechsau at iphouse.net  Fri Sep  7 12:39:58 2012
From: drechsau at iphouse.net (Mike Horwath)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:39:58 -0500
Subject: [arin-discuss] Verizon using 198.181.64.0/19 on SpamHaus
 SBL106079
In-Reply-To: <44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
References: <504934D2.8090807@mathbox.com>
	<44DF5FDB765F4047976815D5EE2D646F6A5C714F74@AUSP01VMBX06.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <20120907163958.GF16561@iphouse.net>

On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 07:00:26PM -0500, Manish wrote:
> Spamhaus is Dumb, they are just want to kill American Businesses. No
> one in Europe , Asia or middle east gives a damm about them.

Glad we can all have our opinions.

I care.

-- 
Mike Horwath      ipHouse - Welcome home!       drechsau at iphouse.net
        The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is
        that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune