[arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?

Wed Mar 14 15:26:57 EDT 2012

In a world of my house having a /48 from a provider over a tunnel for free?

For an ISP? Absolutely.

-Blake

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From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of John Brown
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:14 PM
Cc: arin-discuss
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?

Could you see calling a /32 Extra-Small ??

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss- 
> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:59 PM
> To: Mike A. Salim
> Cc: arin-discuss
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?
> 
> I don't believe anyone is discussing increasing current IPv6 fees.
> 
> What is under discussion, I believe, is the exact manner in which to 
> make it possible to get an IPv6 allocation without having it cause an 
> increase over what current subscribers are paying for IPv4.
> 
> If you were an X-Small IPv4 subscriber, then when you got your /32, 
> you moved into the small category and went from paying $1250/year to 
> paying at least $2250/year (nearly doubling your fees) except to the 
> extent that you've been receiving a fee waiver as has been the case so 
> far for all IPv6 subscribers. (not IPv6 end users).
> 
> I'm not privy to what the board and the finance committee have been 
> discussing, but, what has been discussed on this list so far that I 
> recall are these three possibilities:
> 
> 1.	Lower fees for existing /32 and smaller subscribers to equivalent to
> IPv4 X-Small ($1,250/year)
> 2.	Leave existing /32 and larger subscribers with their current fees
> ($2,250+/year) and create the X-Small
> 	category for /36 subscribers only at $1,250/year.
> 3.	Change the fee for the small category to $1,250/year, but leave the
> boundary between small and medium at /40.
> 
> Personally, I think 3 is absurd. I just can't see calling an 
> organization with a /40 "extra small".
> 
> Your second paragraph is not clear as to whether you are advocating 1 
> or 2 or some different mixture of the two.
> 
> I would be OK with extending X-Small up to and including /32 and I 
> agree that is the best alternative if it can be done without too much 
> of a revenue hit to ARIN.
> 
> I would also be OK with treating existing /32 subscribers as x-small 
> and marking new /32s as small, though ARIN may not want the accounting 
> overhead associated with that.
> 
> I don't think that anyone should be forced to renumber or pay higher 
> fees than they are already paying as part of this. However, I'm not 
> sure that people who want to have their existing fees lowered by 
> $1,000/year shouldn't have to vacate 15/16ths of their address space 
> to receive that fee reduction. I'm undecided on this issue as I don't 
> have full knowledge of the impact of the various alternatives on ARIN's financial state.
> 
> Owen
> 
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Mike A. Salim wrote:
> 
> > This is a good discussion.  We are currently utilizing our /32 IPv6 
> > space.  If
> we are forced to go to a smaller allocation at this point we would be 
> forced to renumber, and it would cause issues for us and for our 
> customers.  And I totally concur that an increase in IPv6 fees at this 
> early stage of IPv6 adoption will be counter productive.
> >
> > I suggest that if XS or smaller allocations are introduced, that 
> > existing
> allocations be grandfathered without a price change.  There is enough 
> IPv6 space that this should not be a problem.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Mike
> >
> > A. Michael Salim
> > VP and Chief Technology Officer,
> > American Data Technology, Inc.
> > PO Box 12892
> > Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA
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> > E: msalim at localweb.com
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> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Randy Carpenter
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:47 PM
> > To: arin-discuss
> > Subject: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?
> >
> >
> > What is the status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure so that it 
> > matches the
> current policy of allocating based on nibble boundaries? This has been 
> discussed in the past, but I have not heard anything lately. Jumping 
> from
> $2,250 right to $9,000 doesn't make much sense.
> >
> > thanks,
> > -Randy
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