[arin-discuss] [arin-ppml] ARIN as a public interest business

[John Curran]

Luke - 
 
  Thanks for that input.  Do you subscribe the the ARIN Public Policy
  mailing list?  

  The reason I ask is that there was recently a proposal to reserve 
  space for new entrants, but it did not receive much discussion.  
  Your note below suggests something very similar, and I was wondering
  if you had seen the proposal (ARIN Policy Proposal 165) when it came 
  out?

Thanks again!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Luke S. Crawford wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 09:16:32AM -0500, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> Larger providers want fees to stay the same or higher? You're very
>> wrong about that. Very wrong. Noone wants to pay higher fees,
>> especially when ARIN has $30 million in cash sitting in the bank not
>> working for the members in a way that we want it to work for us.
> 
> Hm.  I am both small and low-margin.   I recently obtained my first /20.
> I do a lot of consulting for slightly larger (but still quite small
> in the scheme of things) companies.   
> 
> When I got my own /20 after five years of working to get enough users
> to justify it?  my per-ip costs immediately began falling as I 
> returned space to my upstreams, and I'm in a much stronger position to 
> negotiate new bandwidth contracts.   From what I see from others 
> towards my end of the market?  they'd be happy to pay quite a lot 
> more if it meant they would get their own allocation sooner (rather 
> than getting small blocks piecemeal from your upstreams, then 
> getting a direct block, then renumbering out of your upstream IPs.) 
> 
> I mean, I'm sure other companies have different cost structures;  some
> of them may even have less revenue per IP than I do.  But the thing I worry
> about is "can I renumber out of all my PA space before runout?"  relying 
> on PA space is an extremely frightening thing, especially as providers
> even now are using runout as an excuse to raise prices.  
> 
> I'm just saying, for me?  I'd be quite happy paying ARIN 2x or 3x as 
> much if it meant, say, that some space would be reserved for when 
> I could justify it.  Using IPs you don't have direct from ARIN 
> is a frighteningly expensive proposition. The cheapest PA /24s 
> I have cost me a grand a year.   The most expensive PA /24s cost 
> me $384.  And this is the line item on the invoice; I believe I'm 
> paying more than I need to for the rest of the services I get from 
> those providers because they know it's a huge pain for me to lose 
> those IPs before I finish the painful process of getting everyone to 
> move.   Nearly all of those blocks were free with the bandwidth 
> when the contract started.  
> 
> Certainly, not everyone feels this way, (and certainly, it's more 
> difficult for me to renumber than for most people, and my current 
> difficulties are largely unrelated to anything but some poorly-considered
> promises I have made to my own customers.)  but I can't tell you the 
> number of consulting clients (that were not large enough to justify 
> a direct allocation)  that just wanted to write a large check to get 
> a large block from ARIN. 
> 
> If anything, with v4 runout approaching, I'm glad they have something of a
> war chest to help smooth runout.  I mean, I don't claim to know what is
> going to happen, but I'm pretty sure that if ARIN no longer has address 
> space, it's going to be a /whole lot/ more difficult for those of us
> who came of age after CIDR and therefore don't have huge class B blocks 
> to compete in spaces that require lots of low-cost IPv4 addresses, like
> the virtual private server market.
> 
> So yeah, if anything?   I'd vote to charge me more if it means ARIN is
> more prepared for runout.  (I don't know if they can use money to help 
> solve that problem, but they are in a position to do something more than
> anyone else is.)
> 
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