[arin-discuss] Facebook /20, Google /16

[Nathaniel B. Lyon]

I am really surprised Ted Middlestad (spelling?) hasn't chimed in on this conversation.  I always enjoy his views on such topics.  :)  Ted you out there?

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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Facebook /20, Google /16

Furthermore it's also not mandated that all allocations be globally reachable. ANX is a good example of a network that uses public IPv4 space that is globally unique but often completely unreachable from the internet.

One can request allocations in 44.x.x.x and there are groups that coordinate it for on-the-air use. Just because it can't directly gateway to the internet does not make it pointless or useless.

-Paul (KC8QAY)


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I had actually asked that question last week of ARIN... got a somewhat vague response about it being a legacy network originally for "experimentation and public service attributed directly by IANA so they have no mandate to require or request its return"...

The whole 44.0.0.0/8 is in the global BGP tables, but drops into a black hole at UCSD.

Apparently there was originally an intention to link the AMPR and internet, hence the globally routed IP space, but the FCC apparently scapped that idea, so the two networks are prohibited from interconnecting directly without the use of a relay-gateway.

Leland
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On 15 Sep 2010, at 22:50, Keefe John wrote:

> While we're complaining, why does HAM radio have a full /8 that's barely
> used, if at all?
>
> Keefe
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-discuss] Facebook /20, Google /16
>
> Anyone have any idea why Facebook would have a full /20 assigned to them?
> Seems to me a fine example of the waste that we have out there with IP's.
>
> Google is another - they own a /16.  Ugh!!
>
> Yeah, I know, we all complain about it, but come on!  That just doesn't make
> sense.
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