[arin-discuss] fee waivers

[Aaron Wendel]

Once again, and to my continued astonishment, I'm in complete agreement with
Owen.

This is not about my exchange, or me not wanting to pay a fee or even about
whether those fees are justified.  One of my members stepped up to the plate
and paid the fee.  It's over and done with.

My intent here was to bring up a point that I believe has merit.  There is a
fee waiver in place for initial allocations to ISPs because we want ISPs to
adopt IPv6.  Don't we want end users to adopt IPv6?  ISPs have more of an
incentive because they're growing and need additional space ongoing.  They
need a migration plan.  What about Bob's Pizza that qualified for a /20
years ago and will never need more IPs?  What is his incentive to move to
v6?  If large chunks of network space don't adopt v6 then it removes the
incentive for everyone else to as well.  I see a lot of momentum being
generated by the "everyone is doing it" clause.

I understand that fee's are not a matter of policy.  That's why I submitted
my suggestion/question/out loud thought to the discuss list and not PPML and
I thought this was the appropriate place to "discuss" it.

Aaron


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:22 PM
To: <michael.dillon at bt.com>
Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] fee waivers


On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:35 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> <michael.dillon at bt.com>
wrote:

>> but this case would be covered under "community networking" which had
> a
>> separate policy process and the arin community already ruled against
>> fee waivers in this case. i am not reraising that issue, dead is dead.
>> however, it's worth keeping the record straight, an IX with legitimate
>> participants can still in some cases have no bank account.
> 
> Bottom line then is that most end users don't need a fee waiver
> because IPv6 is free from their ISP and they should have no
> problem getting a /48 even if the ISP normally hands out smaller
> prefixes.
> 
> End users who really, really need to have a portable assignment 
> can pay a one time fee to ARIN and that fee is already low enough
> that we don't consider it a barrier to IPv6 deployment.
> 
Let me paraphrase that a little:

Bottom line: End users should be treated as second class citizens.
If they don't want to be second class citizens, it's OK for us to require
a certain level of wealth in order to treat them otherwise.


Owen

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