[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories

[Keith W. Hare]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Leo Bicknell
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:42 AM
> To: Owen DeLong
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
> IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories
> 
> In a message written on Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 08:26:36AM -0800, Owen
> DeLong wrote:
> > > I have a lot of trouble giving anyone with 64 devices a cost free
> > > slot in the DFZ.
> > >
> > But they already have one in IPv4 and are allowed to keep it without
> > paying even annual fees to ARIN if they choose not to sign the LRSA.
> 
> This is giving them a new slot, in the IPv6 DFZ.
> 
> Now, if you wanted to propose a program where an IPv4 legacy holder
> could return their IPv4 block to the free pool in exchange for
> getting an IPv6 block, then there might be enough benefit to community
> to make a fee waver a good idea.
 
Returning IPv4 address space that is currently in use is going to be as easy for a IPv4 legacy holder to do as it is for any other IPv4 resource holder.

> > However, if you really think this won't make a difference, then, why
> > are you so convinced it will do harm?
> 
> I already said in my last message, I don't think it's fair to ask
> all other ARIN fee payers to subsidize a legacy holder getting an
> IPv6 block.  The staff time to review the request is not free.  I
> think the rest of ARIN has already been giving them a free ride for
> way too long, and the last thing we need to do is extend that in
> new directions.

Two and a half years ago, I jumped into a "legacy holders are evil because they haven't paid their fair share" rant fest and asked how, as a legacy resource holder, I was supposed to pay? At the time, there was not a clear mechanism for a legacy resource holders to sign an RSA. 

So get off your high horse about legacy resource holders getting a free ride. Until the LRSA became available in mid November, 2007, there wasn't a mechanism available nor had ARIN asked legacy resource holders to sign up.


> What is in this proposal for all the people who've been paying fees for
> the last 10 years, and paid their $1250 to get IPv6?  You just said it
> wasn't to expand IPv6 development, so what does everyone else get out
> of
> this?  A warm fuzzy feeling?
> 

>From the outside, it looks to me like a mechanism to encourage legacy resource holders to sign an LRSA, with a side benefit of encouraging IPv6 thinking if not adoption.

How many organizations would take advantage of this? Idunno. The cost of the IPv6 address allocation is a small part of the cost of implementing IPv6.

If no organizations take advantage of this waiver, it doesn't cost ARIN anything. If a hundred organizations take advantage of the waiver, that's a hundred more organizations paying annual fees, and maybe implementing IPv6.

How is this fee waiver so different from the current partial fee waiver in place for RSA signers?

Keith Hare