From mksmith at adhost.com Fri Dec 18 14:24:58 2009 From: mksmith at adhost.com (Michael K. Smith - Adhost) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:24:58 -0800 Subject: [arin-discuss] ITU proclamation regarding CIR's Message-ID: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316074E737C@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> Hello Everyone: I just picked this up off NANOG. Has anyone/everyone seen this document? The ITU is proposing the creation of Country-based Internet Registries in addition to the existing RIR's. http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-t/oth/3B/02/T3B020000020002PDFE.pdf Regards, Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksmith at adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) From woody at pch.net Fri Dec 18 14:59:14 2009 From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:59:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [arin-discuss] ITU proclamation regarding CIR's In-Reply-To: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316074E737C@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> References: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D520316074E737C@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > I just picked this up off NANOG. Has anyone/everyone seen this > document? The ITU is proposing the creation of Country-based Internet > Registries in addition to the existing RIR's. > http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-t/oth/3B/02/T3B020000020002PDFE.pdf Just so you know, we (meaning the ARIN board and staff, as well as those of the other RIRs, ISOC, ICANN, and the IETF) are actively engaged at preventing this badness. Nonetheless, if any of you (ARIN members) are large companies with government affairs offices and government affairs lawyers/lobbyists, please consider putting them in touch with me or John Curran, so we can let them know how they can help. Several of ARIN's largest members, notably Verizon, are already engaged on our side of this fight. -Bill From michael.dillon at bt.com Fri Dec 18 18:25:03 2009 From: michael.dillon at bt.com (michael.dillon at bt.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:25:03 -0000 Subject: [arin-discuss] ITU proclamation regarding CIR's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <28E139F46D45AF49A31950F88C49745804915AF9@E03MVZ2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> > http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-t/oth/3B/02/T3B020000020002PDFE.pdf > > Just so you know, we (meaning the ARIN board and staff, as > well as those of the other RIRs, ISOC, ICANN, and the IETF) > are actively engaged at preventing this badness. Some of us work for ITU member companies who are also working to prevent this badness. Remember that the ITU contains representatives of a lot of countries that you never pay attention to in your entire career, but in the ITU, those countries have a voice and they get to talk about their ideas. On the other hand, companies like my employer also have a voice and put a lot of effort into finding ways to resist the ITU trying to muscle in on an area that is already covered by the self-regulating, bottom up, RIR structures. Make no mistake about it, when the ITU people suggest giving each country its own RIR-type allocation, they mean giving the ITU control over IPv6 addressing because the ITU is a creature formed from representatives of "each country". > Nonetheless, if any of you (ARIN members) are large companies > with government affairs offices and government affairs > lawyers/lobbyists, please consider putting them in touch with > me or John Curran, so we can let them know how they can help. > Several of ARIN's largest members, notably Verizon, are > already engaged on our side of this fight. Indeed, rather than rushing up to your regulatory/government/legal affairs folks and telling them why this is bad, it might be best to start by asking them whether you participate in the ITU, and how the company decides what position to take in ITU discussions. This is a political arena, and you may have to play some office politics in order to get your views across. That works better when you know what you are facing. --Michael Dillon