[arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

I disagree with both Jeff and Chad regarding their criticism of Dean and
the appropriateness of his discussion.

Jeff:
I don't think that you can realistically claim to know what Dean does or
doesn't care about nor what he really wants. I interpret differently
than you. To me, Dean appears to have more than one concern, not just
the legacy issue but also the propriety of ARIN's finances and the
oversight provided by it's board members. It does seem possible to me
that Dean could have more than one concern at a time. For you to clip
out one of several of Dean's examples of possible impropriety, and them
claim to know that the phrase "Legacy RSA" within that clip is really
his only concern, is both unfair and perhaps a little inflammatory.

Chad:
I think that Dean's requests for information from ARIN, to verify his
concerns, is appropriate and not innuendo. The lack of cogent responses
has been the biggest problem for me while "listening in". Many of the
responses, from ARIN board members, to his queries have been
obfuscations, and his attempts to get clear answers has caused increased
traffic in the discussion, but the root problem is lack of clear,
informative answers.

Both:
I think that this current incarnation of the discussion is generally
both relevant and appropriate for the ARIN-DISCUSS mailing list if we
are to have enough relevant information to apply to a vote, if that
finally comes. To be asked to just vote on a recall or to vote
for/against someone during a normal election without access to any
information prior to that event, is a waste of any democratic
responsibility.

The biggest waste of my personal bandwidth is from those who just call
for shutting down the discussion or those who seem to just enjoy
throwing gasoline on flames. I don't think that Dean is the flamer, nor,
lately, the board members who have responded. I would like to see more
clear, concise, reasoned responses to Dean's questions. Then, I think,
the thread would seem more worth the time to read it.

Mel Stotyn 
Senior Operations Specialist 
ENMAX Envision Inc. 
mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com 
Phone: 403 514-3443


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From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Chad Kissinger
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:51 AM
To: Jeff Calvert; arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations



I agree with Jeff.  Dean's got an axe to grind and obviously no bit of
slime is too insignificant, nor is any innuendo too flimsy for him to
throw into the fray.  He's lost all credibility with me.  I've had too
many customers who owed me money that sound just like him squawking
about any crazy thing they can think of to avoid the real issue... that
they owe me money.   Dean is doing the same thing... hoping that
everyone will be either worn out or intimidated by his threats.  I say,
put up or shut up.  Sue, or make a motion to change something under the
governing rules of ARIN.   

My opinion on the real issue remains:  

1.  ARIN should collect as little money as possible to accomplish its
core mission.
2.  The collections should be spread out evenly amongst the people who
derive benefit from ARIN's service... i.e. everyone who uses an IP
address under ARIN's "authority".  Legacy holders included.  


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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Calvert
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:11 AM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations



> Board member performance is the failure to obtain a legal opinion on 
> the Legacy RSA and the scheme to threaten Legacies with denial of 
> services unless they transferred rights to ARIN through the Legacy
RSA.

And Dean gets back to his real complaint.  This entire thread is a red
herring.  Dean doesn't care about 10 year old lawsuits, NANOG
attendance, marketing budgets, or recall elections.  Dean wants to the
Legacy IP allocation policy to remain unchanged, and he will continue to
harass the ARIN board until he gets his way.


Jeff Calvert
Network Administrator

E: jcalvert at cyrusone.com
W: www.cyrusone.com

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